Jared Bednar Discussion

[Sea Eagles]

No we wont... We jus have holes everywhere up and down the lineup

Telling me this team doesn't win a Stanley Cup?

Drouin - Mackinnon - Rantanen
Lehkonen - Mittelstadt - Nuke
Landeskog - Colton - LOC
Wood - Parssinen - Kiviranta
(Kelly)

Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
Kylington - CDH
(Malinski)

Blackwood
Wedgewood

I'd say that is the strongest team. Therefore, in my view, the following reserve players are currently playing: Kelly, Innala, Ivan, Middleton, Malinski (that's 25% of an entire team) - does this not show why you'd consider us having holes?

 

[Slowdive]

Lets be honest, unless we are in the locker room, at practice, on the bus, on the plane, we do not know if the team is tuning Bednar out. We are guessing, making assumptions and trying to read body language and minds. My take, keep Bednar.

 

[Foppa2118]

Kiviranta said in a finnish interview few months back when being asked is there difference playing with Stars or Avs team:

In Dallas we had more structure and in Colorado it's more players decide type of game.

Bednar is a good guy but I think it's time to give this core a new voice.

Is this accurate? Bednar has a ton of structure in his 5v5 system. More than any other Avs coach I've seen, including probably Hartley because there's more to be aware of now.

If anything it might be too much for a talent based roster to use their creativity, though it helped them win a Cup, and the stars still produce plenty, so hard to argue against it.

He just re-iterated the other day that you can't play for this team unless you check hard defensively. Maybe Kivi didn't explain himself properly or it was missing some context?

 

[CobraAcesS]

Is this accurate? Bednar has a ton of structure in his 5v5 system. Way more than any other Avs coach I've seen.

If anything it might be too much for a talent based roster to use their creativity, though it helped them win a Cup, and the stars still produce plenty, so hard to argue against it.

He just re-iterated the other day that you can't play for this team unless you check hard defensively.

It fits with the narrative that Bednar's only adjustments to go to are skate faster, and check harder.

 

[Foppa2118]

It fits with the narrative that Bednar's only adjustments to go to are skate faster, and check harder.

That's a false HF narrative though. He definitely has more adjustments and details in his system than that.

 

[CobraAcesS]

That's a false HF narrative though. He definitely has more adjustments and details in his system than that.

I know, but it exists lol

For the record Bednar is going nowhere unless we're fully healthy for the playoffs giving him no excuses and we get bounced unceremoniously in the 1st round.

 

[sethro109]

The refusal to work on the PP and short practices has me extremely confused about his actions lately. I've always hated the amount he plays the superstars, but this new development is troubling. In the past, when the PP wasn't clicking, you'd hear reports about them working on it at every practice, and now you hear the opposite.

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

Whether you like it or not, we're on our way to our 8th straight playoff appearance. Tied for the second longest active streak in the league (BOS and TOR both have streaks of 8). Of the top-5 active playoff appearance streak teams, we're the most recent to win it. Florida currently have a streak of 5. Vegas only 2.

I certainly do not see Sakic/CMac firing Bednar during the season, especially a season so capitulated by injuries. I think if we are a 1st round exit this year, he's on the hot seat and given one more chance.

Bennett has to go though. The PP woes are unacceptable at this point.

 

[BleedWell]

Is this accurate? Bednar has a ton of structure in his 5v5 system. More than any other Avs coach I've seen, including probably Hartley because there's more to be aware of now.

If anything it might be too much for a talent based roster to use their creativity, though it helped them win a Cup, and the stars still produce plenty, so hard to argue against it.

He just re-iterated the other day that you can't play for this team unless you check hard defensively. Maybe Kivi didn't explain himself properly or it was missing some context?

Yes.

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[Foppa2118]

Yes.

Do you happen to have the exact question and quote by any chance? A brief search didn't turn up anything.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

The refusal to work on the PP and short practices has me extremely confused about his actions lately. I've always hated the amount he plays the superstars, but this new development is troubling. In the past, when the PP wasn't clicking, you'd hear reports about them working on it at every practice, and now you hear the opposite.

I don’t understand this part at all.

The PP is not working, so don’t work on it.

The team is giving shitty, not even close to 60 minute efforts, so have short little practices.

This recent home stand was a complete joke. Two full practices in a week and a half. Just optional practices and off day after off day.

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

The way I read that Kivi quote is more that in the Stars org there were more restrictions on the players in how they break out etc. But in Colorado the players are allowed to make judgement calls and jump up in the play if the opportunity presents itself.

 

[Foppa2118]

Yes.

Joel Kivirannalta paljastus Avalanche-sopimuksesta - pelitavassa selvä ero Starsiin verrattuna

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Thanks for adding the link.

Do you know how this sentence translates to English?

"Suurin ero oli pelinavaukset, siinä oli selkeät säännöt."

Web translation says the main difference was the "openings." Is he talking about the breakouts? Or the zone entries? Or maybe how to get open in the O zone?

Original Quote: "Dallasissa oli ehkä vähän enemmän säännöt sille, miten pelataan. Suurin ero oli pelinavaukset, siinä oli selkeät säännöt. Coloradossa on enemmän vapauksia pelata ja lukea enemmän niitä pelejä. Molemmissa on puolensa ja molemmista olen tykännyt, Kiviranta vertailee."

Web Translation: "Dallas probably had a little more rules about how to play. The main difference was the openings, there were clear rules. Colorado has more freedom to play and read more of those games. Both have their sides and I have liked both, Kiviranta compares.

 

[The Merchant]

The refusal to work on the PP and short practices has me extremely confused about his actions lately. I've always hated the amount he plays the superstars, but this new development is troubling. In the past, when the PP wasn't clicking, you'd hear reports about them working on it at every practice, and now you hear the opposite.

It's simply because the PP is "the least of his concerns"

Why that is? No clue. But the lack of concern is concerning

 

[Foppa2118]

It's simply because the PP is "the least of his concerns"

Why that is? No clue. But the lack of concern is concerning

I think that quote was mostly if not entirely in reference to that stinker game at 5v5. I didnt take it as he wasn't worried about the PP, but that he was more upset with the overall effort.

The PP is actually the one thing that the players mostly do decide on. Been that way for a while.

Perhaps there's an argument that this is the wrong approach, but it has led to them having a very good PP at times in the past It's just always very hot and cold. It's 19th now, but another hot streak to end the season could change that.

We've had these discussion about Bennett and the PP before, but they usually end with a good average. In fact it's slowly gotten better each year. Each year one notch higher in the rankings, which is a little weird actually.

2024-25 - 19th - 20.4% (currently)
2023-24 - 5th - 24.5%
2022-23 - 6th - 24.5%
2021-22 - 7th - 24.0%
2020-21 - 8th - 22.7%

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I think that quote was mostly if not entirely in reference to that stinker game at 5v5. I didnt take it as he wasn't worried about the PP, but that he was more upset with the overall effort.

The PP is actually the one thing that the players mostly do decide on. Been that way for a while.

Perhaps there's an argument that this is the wrong approach, but it has led to them having a very good PP at times in the past It's just always very hot and cold. It's 19th now, but another hot streak to end the season could change that.

We've had these discussion about Bennett and the PP before, but they usually end with a good average. In fact it's slowly gotten better each year. Each year one notch higher in the rankings, which is a little weird actually.

2024-25 - 19th - 20.4% (currently)
2023-24 - 5th - 24.5%
2022-23 - 6th - 24.5%
2021-22 - 7th - 24.0%
2020-21 - 8th - 22.7%

We are 31st out of 32 teams since December 1st.

That's almost 2 months of complete, utter ass.

Trending in the wrong direction. Some can say we are missing a net front presence, some can say the book is out and teams know how to take away the Big 3's looks.

 

[Foppa2118]

We are 31st out of 32 teams since December 1st.

That's almost 2 months of complete, utter ass.

Trending in the wrong direction. Some can say we are missing a net front presence, some can say the book is out and teams know how to take away the Big 3's looks.

True, but they have bad droughts every year. Not sure if it's this bad, but pretty bad. It's part of their hot and cold act.

We have this discussion often about the PP, and it's usually during their cold streak, but then they get hot again and end with a good average. Definitely looks like crap right now though. Brutal the last few games.

IMO it's mostly missing the net front presence, followed by guys like Nate and Mikko getting a little stuck in the comfort of their routines, and making them predictable.

Also Nate's had some poor shot selection and accuracy lately, as well as his passing has been off the mark. More turnovers from him recently than usual and his zone entries haven't been quite as crisp.

 

[Foppa2118]

The refusal to work on the PP and short practices has me extremely confused about his actions lately. I've always hated the amount he plays the superstars, but this new development is troubling. In the past, when the PP wasn't clicking, you'd hear reports about them working on it at every practice, and now you hear the opposite.

Not sure if this is related, but they often like to work on the PP on game days.

 

[shadow1]

Yes.

Joel Kivirannalta paljastus Avalanche-sopimuksesta - pelitavassa selvä ero Starsiin verrattuna

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Joel Kiviranta, 'Mr. Consistency,' earning his ice time with Colorado Avalanche

It doesn't matter which level or sport you're playing, there's one trait a coach values more than others.

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Check out Evan's article on Kivi. It details how the coaching staff worked with him to improve his offensive game.

I can't find it, but I remember Bednar saying during a press conference that they worked with Kiviranta to make him more aggressive offensively. Specifically how he was too focused on defense due to his role with Dallas.

Since December 1st/Wedgewood-era, O'Connor (2nd), Kelly (4th), Kiviranta (7th) are amongst Colorado's leaders in xGF% at 5v5 (Makar is 3rd, MacKinnon is 5th, for reference). Their actual GF% is way worse (19th, 20th, 15th) because they're playing too many minutes. As a unit they're doing a lot of the little things right and generally playing solid hockey, but their collective offensive ineptitude means that the more they play, the worse stats like GF% are going to be. It's an awesome 4th line that's playing 3rd line minutes.

That sounds like a condemnation of Bednar overplaying them. But the underlying numbers for Colorado's actual 4th liners are bad, and keep in mind they're playing limited minutes mostly against other 4th liners. If they're underperforming in their limited roles, it's easy to see why they haven't earned bigger ones.

 

[Metallo]

The PP always runs on talent, very little repeatable method. Either they score or the PP looks like shit. Rarely it provides momentum w/o scoring.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

That sounds like a condemnation of Bednar overplaying them. But the underlying numbers for Colorado's actual 4th liners are bad, and keep in mind they're playing limited minutes mostly against other 4th liners. If they're underperforming in their limited roles, it's easy to see why they haven't earned bigger ones.

I love you and all, but what does this word mean to you and how does it fit here?

 

[shadow1]

I love you and all, but what does this word mean to you and how does it fit here?

I was talking about that last bit in what was otherwise a mostly positive paragraph. I meant condemning Bednar for giving that 4th line of Kivi-Kelly-OC 3rd line minutes.