Jared Bednar Discussion

[Northern Avs Fan]

I don’t think we have a a thread for Bednar discussion.

A couple initial thoughts.

I like what he’s been able to do as coach with an injured roster the last year, or so. He’s also done a good job of developing some of the younger players on the roster.

I’m not a huge fan of the constant in-game D pair changes, but I understand why he does it while the Avs are dealing with injuries.

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[The Kingslayer]

I don’t think we have a a thread for Bednar discussion.

A couple initial thoughts.

I like what he’s been able to do as coach with an injured roster the last year, or so. He’s also done a good job of developing some of the younger players on the roster.

I’m not a huge fan of the constant in-game D pair changes, but I understand why he does it while they are dealing with injuries.

Im not a fan of his OT record and usage and last night was a prime example.
Im not a fan that his team hasn't been able to come back in a game when trailing after 2. The Wild came back last night with 12 minutes left. Granted the Avs were playing with an empty net all game but still.

I like Bednars handling of guys like G, Makar and Byram. Allowed them to make mistakes and learn and didn't bench them when they messed up.
I like that Mackinnons career was revived under Jared. Part of that is having Mikko no doubt but I think Jared got to Nathan the same way Morpheus got to Neo.
I like Bednars post game breakdowns 95% of the time. He seems to see the same things we see and isn't afraid to say it and he ALWAYS compliments the opposing team.

In short. I like 80% of the things Jared does. I think hes a good coach. If he can fix the OT and the comeback thing he would be a great coach imo.

 

[Metallo]

I think he’s a very good « over the season » and « in between games » coach, creating a very good team spirit and he’s a good teacher.

As for a « game day » coach I am not thrilled by his lineup choices and in-game adjustments.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I think he’s a very good « over the season » and « in between games » coach, creating a very good team spirit and he’s a good teacher.

As for a « game day » coach I am not thrilled by his lineup choices and in-game adjustments.

Yeah I agree. OT and in game adjustments are where I have the biggest issues with Bednars coaching. But I think he sets the team up well almost every night and he seems to have a very good understanding of what issues plagued the team or what they did well.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Im not a fan of his OT record and usage and last night was a prime example.
Im not a fan that his team hasn't been able to come back in a game when trailing after 2. The Wild came back last night with 12 minutes left. Granted the Avs were playing with an empty net all game but still.

I like Bednars handling of guys like G, Makar and Byram. Allowed them to make mistakes and learn and didn't bench them when they messed up.
I like that Mackinnons career was revived under Jared. Part of that is having Mikko no doubt but I think Jared got to Nathan the same way Morpheus got to Neo.
I like Bednars post game breakdowns 95% of the time. He seems to see the same things we see and isn't afraid to say it and he ALWAYS compliments the opposing team.

In short. I like 80% of the things Jared does. I think hes a good coach. If he can fix the OT and the comeback thing he would be a great coach imo.

He made a great adjustment in the first OT of the season starting with two defenceman on the ice. That’s excellent use of personnel.

The issue is, you can only do that when you have Makar, Girard, Toews, and Byram all in the lineup at the same time. You can put two of those guys together and then just rotate pairs for OT. You don’t lose much, if anything offensively, and you’re a lot better on defence.

 

[BaconNater]

He has great hair and will lead the Avs to the promise land

 

[Metallo]

Bednar needs great tactical assistants. Clearly with our special teams and OT record I believe that it is not the case presently.

 

[henchman21]

Bednar is great at gameplanning, but bad at adjusting. Avs are 1-1 when they don't score first, but are 0-2 when trailing after a period so far this year. Last season was his only good year when the other team scored first. The Avs were also good about winning after trailing in the first (while being near the bottom of the league when trailing after 2). Until he can show he can consistently adjust, I'll think he needs some help there. If the Avs make some offseason changes there, I wouldn't mind them targeting a former NHL head coach. Think Bednar could use a new perspective there.

 

[Avs_19]

The OT thing is a strange one. I don't think they really even practice it all that much because of how limited they are for time. They spend practices focusing on more important things than 3-on-3, which you don't play too often. Unlike the in game strategy, special teams, usage, etc, this is also one area where I feel the players deserve more blame than coaches. They just do stupid **** more often than not and end up losing the game because of it. They really had to go to two D in OT to start this season because the forwards just don't get it. You have MacKinnon and Rantanen, one of the best duos in the league, but you couldn't play them together in OT because for whatever reason they are really bad in OT. I don't think a team like the Oilers has success in OT because of coaching.

 

[The Kingslayer]

I think he’s a very good « over the season » and « in between games » coach, creating a very good team spirit and he’s a good teacher.

As for a « game day » coach I am not thrilled by his lineup choices and in-game adjustments.

Fair especially in game adjustments which is why they cant seem to mount a comeback.

 

[The Kingslayer]

He made a great adjustment in the first OT of the season starting with two defenceman on the ice. That’s excellent use of personnel.

The issue is, you can only do that when you have Makar, Girard, Toews, and Byram all in the lineup at the same time. You can put two of those guys together and then just rotate pairs for OT. You don’t lose much, if anything offensively, and you’re a lot better on defence.

I would agree if the OT was 20 minutes long then for sure you cant run 2 dman at a time and especially run the three. Its 5 minutes and the goal should be to end it asap especially when you have Miska in net. I wish he took more risks like that. If you insist on having two forwards than Mikko HAS to be one of them not the two slowest forwards we have. I just watched that OT goal and I cant think of any reason why Landeskog is in the crease on that play. Its man on man in OT. Did he simply forget that they were in OT? Heads not in the game if that's the case and that's a problem.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I think he's a phenomenal coach, one of the tops in the league.


I especially like the way he uses young players. Most coaches have a heavy reliance on veterans even more so when you're a cup contender like we are.

He really is all about playing the guys that deserve the minutes and are playing the best regardless of who that is.


The only exception right now seems to be Compher... But I'm convinced this is actually Joes request to get Compher some extra minutes so we can showcase him in potential trades later on.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

I would agree if the OT was 20 minutes long then for sure you cant run 2 dman at a time and especially run the three. Its 5 minutes and the goal should be to end it asap especially when you have Miska in net. I wish he took more risks like that. If you insist on having two forwards than Mikko HAS to be one of them not the two slowest forwards we have. I just watched that OT goal and I cant think of any reason why Landeskog is in the crease on that play. Its man on man in OT. Did he simply forget that they were in OT? Heads not in the game if that's the case and that's a problem.

Oh no, I think we got crossed up. I like the 2D setup in OT.

I’m just saying I only really like it when Makar, Girard, Toews, and Byram are all in the lineup. I wouldn’t want someone like Timmins, or Graves out there in the 3-on-3, even if they had another defenceman with them.

 

[The Kingslayer]

The OT thing is a strange one. I don't think they really even practice it all that much because of how limited they are for time. They spend practices focusing on more important things than 3-on-3, which you don't play too often. Unlike the in game strategy, special teams, usage, etc, this is also one area where I feel the players deserve more blame than coaches. They just do stupid **** more often than not and end up losing the game because of it. They really had to go to two D in OT to start this season because the forwards just don't get it. You have MacKinnon and Rantanen, one of the best duos in the league, but you couldn't play them together in OT because for whatever reason they are really bad in OT. I don't think a team like the Oilers has success in OT because of coaching.

You give Mcdavid and Leon that much space on the ice and you are f***ed. Im not sure what the Oilers OT record is but I can almost guarantee its one of the best since Conor arrived. You will also never convince me that those two combined are better defensive forwards than Mack and Rantanen. So whats the problem? Connor and Leon are killers. Mack and Mikko not so much in OT.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Oh no, I think we got crossed up. I like the 2D setup in OT.

I’m just saying I only really like it when Makar, Girard, Toews, and Byram are all in the lineup. I wouldn’t want someone like Timmins, or Graves out there in the 3-on-3, even if they had another defenceman with them.

My bad. yah I like it aswell especially with the D we have. I mean it literally worked last week. I don't understand why Jared needed to change that. 15 seconds into OT and it was over. Avs didn't touch the puck one time. Embarrassing when you consider who the Wild were missing on their squad and how deep the Avs group is in comparison. Just giving away points.

 

[AVSfan2daMAX]

In addition to what's been already said, I really like Bednar's approach in the playoffs. It sounds silly but many coaches allow the opposition to dictate when they play their best players because of matchups. Bednar doesn't worry much about that.

In most series the Avalanche will have the best players on their side, let them determine the outcome of the series.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Bednar is a great coach who needs to upgrade some of his assistants. Pp still too predictable although much better this year.

 

[Pokecheque]

I hate that he doesn't seem to have the team ready to play in OT. Also don't understand why he got some real success going with 2D and 1F against the Ducks in OT, then inexplicably decided to go with 2F, 1D, one of whom is bad defensively and the other having a bad game with a bad goalie playing behind them. And it's not the first time he's made outright bad decisions with his OT strategy.

Other than that, I've made no secret of the fact I really like the guy. He puts young talent in a position to succeed, and while he can be a bit stubborn like any coach, it's not to an insane degree. His responses in press conferences are forthright and honest, and his system fits this team like a glove. Really glad Joe didn't listen to the masses and let Bednar stay after that disastrous first season. He is likely going to be the longest-tenured Avalanche coach in the franchise's history, hopefully he will also be the most successful.

However, I've also made no secret of my wariness of his assistants. I think this team's special teams performance could be a whole lot better, and that falls on the assistants as much as it falls on Bednar.

 

[LieutenantDangle]

I think Bednar came in and gave this team a true identity and has been a huge reason they’ve had so much success and made the playoffs in three consecutive years.
He has been unwavering in his ideas of what the right way to play hockey is and has moved on from players who don’t agree. It’s also a system/identity that allows the young talented skaters to flourish. He’s taught the top guns accountability and a 200 foot game as well. Mackinnon and Rantanen no longer coast in their own zone waiting for Landeskog to do all the dirty work.

he has shown issues making in game and in series adjustments, but fortunately it’s not too often the avs need to make many adjustments when they’re firing on all cylinders.
I think he’s earned some serious job security

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Love the coach....hate the lack of transparency from him regarding injuries. Are you really going to sit in front of the media after the game and lie about not knowing what Mack's injury is? The decision was made during an intermission. even if it happens during a period you can bet your life savings that the trainer will come to the bench once he knows the issue. Of course he knows what the injury is. Just come clean and say so. Enough with this KGB stuff.

 

[Balthazar]

Love the coach....hate the lack of transparency from him regarding injuries. Are you really going to sit in front of the media after the game and lie about not knowing what Mack's injury is? The decision was made during an intermission. even if it happens during a period you can bet your life savings that the trainer will come to the bench once he knows the issue. Of course he knows what the injury is. Just come clean and say so. Enough with this KGB stuff.

This isn't on Bednar, this is Sakic who learned it from Lacroix. As long as Sakic is part of this org it's never going to change. Your only hope is that the next guy in line won't "learn it" from Sakic.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

This isn't on Bednar, this is Sakic who learned it from Lacroix. As long as Sakic is part of this org it's never going to change. Your only hope is that the next guy in line won't "learn it" from Sakic.

I am sure there is some truth to that but I am convinced Bednar is more than OK with that.

 

[CoachBadkitten]

I would take him in a fistfight over most other coaches for sure.

 

[Mackinn on your girl]

I won't lie. I have have been biased against Bednar since he became the coach. I don't think much of the success that the Avs have had is due to him but more due to Mackinnon's will to win and the great team that Sakic has managed to build. I absolutely hate when we have a one goal lead in the third period and he employs the shut down type of game. We are REALLY bad at it and abandoning the type of game that got you the lead in the first place seems ridiculous. We can't seem to keep control playing man to man defense and the game ends up tied far too often. The other team then has all the momentum and we lose a lot of those games in regulation and then are completely dead when we get to OT. I think Bednar is a soft coach and Mack is the one that gets the most out of the rest of the team.

 

[Belgican]

I really like Bednar and the hockey style he tries to developp.

Like others, I hate the lack of quick adjustment : PP1 static setup and zone entry, OT poor results