Jared Bednar & Co. Discussion Thread

[dahrougem2]

Tocchet is a bit of a meat head, highly focused on the defensive side rather than creating offense, likes to default to "work harder", has a pretty bad track record in the NHL, and just oversaw the biggest dressing room chemistry disaster we've seen in a little while. However, Vancouver's PK has improved every year with him and they were near the top of the league this year.

Personally, I think that's a downgrade and the Avs are worse off.



He deserves another chance!

You're gonna make me do some dastardly shit if you want that f***ing wax figure to coach here

 

[Avs_19]

You're gonna make me do some dastardly shit if you want that f***ing wax figure to coach here

 

[flyfysher]

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Tocchet is a bit of a meat head, highly focused on the defensive side rather than creating offense, likes to default to "work harder", has a pretty bad track record in the NHL, and just oversaw the biggest dressing room chemistry disaster we've seen in a little while. However, Vancouver's PK has improved every year with him and they were near the top of the league this year.

Personally, I think that's a downgrade and the Avs are worse off.

Vancouver’s PK was all Adam Foote, just like Detroit’s PP was all Alex Tanguay.

Bring them home as Assistant Coaches!

 

[Foppa2118]

Not exactly the same, because he didn't have the NCAA success Carle had, but look at how Granato did with a contender? He had to learn on the job and it didn't go well.

Look at Bednar's first season in the NHL? He had to learn how to manage the egos and personalities of NHLers. He stripped the A's from Iginla and McLeod to start the season, because he wanted to give more responsibility and ownership of the team to its stars like Nate and Mikko. But he did it in a way that impacted the dressing room, because it embarrassed well respected vets a little bit. Both seemed eager to leave after that. That first season was a disaster, because everyone was learning.

Most times I remember a rookie NHL head coach's fist season, they seem together out coached the first season in the playoffs too. They can't find the adjustments, but the other coach can. It's all part of the learning curve. Hard to fast track that.

They could have a dominant regular season next year with someone like Carle, but then get into the playoffs and lose in the first round again. Especially the first round in the Central.

Avs will probably have knock out drag out wars with the best teams in the first round for a while. And the top teams have very experienced coaches in the NHL.

Gotta go with someone with NHL coaching experience IMO.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Not exactly the same, because he didn't have the NCAA success Carle had, but look at how Granato did with a contender? He had to learn on the job and it didn't go well.

Look at Bednar's first season in the NHL? He had to learn how to manage the egos and personalities of NHLers. He stripped the A's from Iginla and McLeod to start the season, because he wanted to give more responsibility and ownership of the team to its stars like Nate and Mikko. But he did it in a way that impacted the dressing room, because it embarrassed well respected vets a little bit. Both seemed eager to leave after that. That first season was a disaster, because everyone was learning.

Most times I remember a rookie NHL head coach's fist season, they seem together out coached the first season in the playoffs too. They can't find the adjustments, but the other coach can. It's all part of the learning curve. Hard to fast track that.

They could have a dominant regular season next year with someone like Carle, but then get into the playoffs and lose in the first round again. Especially the first round in the Central.

Avs will probably have knock out drag out wars with the best teams in the first round for a while. And the top teams have very experienced coaches in the NHL.

Gotta go with someone with NHL coaching experience IMO.

Yeah the Avs can’t afford to go with someone who’s needs to learn the NHL as they go.

At the same time, we need a pliable veteran coach. One who isn’t insistent on playing one way and only one way.

They need a new voice, for sure. But if they pick wrong, they could legitimately tank whatever few years this core has.

 

[Foppa2118]

Vancouver’s PK was all Adam Foote, just like Detroit’s PP was all Alex Tanguay.

Bring them home as Assistant Coaches!

Seems like Tanguay would be sticking in Detroit wouldn't he? They just brought in McLellan in December. Doesn't seem like they'd let him leave to be assistant in Colorado.

Tangs is probably eyeing a head coaching gig I would imagine. Perhaps with Detroit or somewhere else.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

The Avs were deep sixed by the very guy you advocated trading for months. Maybe your acumen isn’t as great as you think? Maybe you should sit this one out?

You seem to be having a ball today John.

Almost like you enjoy it more with the Avs being eliminated than you did with them playing. Unless you are legit trying to troll, I do not understand what you are attempting to accomplish today.

If it is a troll attempt, damn... you need to get better game.

 

[the_fan]

Fire Bednar, hire Babcock. Players just have to hide their phones and it will be fine

Screw it, go full yolo!!!!

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Fire Bednar, hire Babcock.

Screw it, go full yolo!!!!

Quenville with Babcock and Torts as assistants.

 

[the_fan]

Quenville with Babcock and Torts as assistants.

We’ll be the most hated and pain in the ass team to play against, good for at least couple of player suspensions per season

 

[expatriatedtexan]

We’ll be the most hated and pain in the ass team to play against, good for at least couple of player suspensions per season

I don't know who would hate life more... The players playing against us, or our own players playing for these coaches.

Either way, it should be high drama.

 

[the_fan]

I don't know who would hate life more... The players playing against us, or our own players playing for these coaches.

Either way, it should be high drama.

Nate would go complete apeshit if Babcock asks to see his phone. Then Nate will pick another fight with Torts, coach Q would spend most of his time separating everyone and making peace

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Nate would go complete apeshit if Babcock asks to see his phone. Then Nate will pick another fight with Torts, coach Q would spend most of his time separating everyone and making peace

Altitude needs to place hidden cameras and mics all around the practice facilities, training facilities, offices, water fountains, skate sharpeners, etc. This shit needs to be live 24/7 television.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Altitude needs to place hidden cameras and mics all around the practice facilities, training facilities, offices, water fountains, skate sharpeners, etc. This shit needs to be live 24/7 television.

Hell... Nate very well could end up with the biggest tik-tok cooking feed in the world.

He'd be throwing wheat germ, protein powder and chickpea pasta on everything screaming BAM! BAM, BAM!!! BAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAM!!!!!

 

[the_fan]

Hell... Nate very well could end up with the biggest tik-tok cooking feed in the world.

He'd be throwing wheat germ, protein powder and chickpea pasta on everything screaming BAM! BAM, BAM!!! BAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAM!!!!!

What I would really like to happen is Nate to walk into CMac’s office, break everything, then post pictures of all 3 Mikko goals from game 7 on the wall, and spray paint…. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?!?!?!

 

[Foppa2118]

What I would really like to happen is Nate to walk into CMac’s office, break everything, then post pictures of all 3 Mikko goals from game 7 on the wall, and spray paint…. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?!?!?!

Something tells me Nate may have a conversation with mgmt at some point soon, if he didn't already since the loss, about his thoughts on that trade and how it worked out.

He said he didn't understand what happened when it was made. Marty didn't play that well, their depth didn't beat the Stars game breakers, and Mikko just ended their season with a hat trick 4 point night. Easy for him to put all that together in his exit interview.

I have a feeling Bednar may not have loved the trade either. I bet he really wanted to keep Mikko. You can just see it in how he's talked about Mikko during and after the series, and how their big guns made the big plays, and talked about how that's just what Mikko does.

 

[Alienblood]

The front office is a joke if Bednar is still the coach by Wednesday. Every other organization would have moved on from him last year.

Sakic is handicapped remember so

 

[Alienblood]

Something tells me Nate may have a conversation with mgmt at some point soon, if he didn't already since the loss, about his thoughts on that trade and how it worked out.

He said he didn't understand what happened when it was made. Marty didn't play that well, their depth didn't beat the Stars game breakers, and Mikko just ended their season with a hat trick 4 point night. Easy for him to put all that together in his exit interview.

I have a feeling Bednar may not have loved the trade either. I bet he really wanted to keep Mikko. You can just see it in how he's talked about Mikko during and after the series, and how their big guns made the big plays, and talked about how that's just what Mikko does.

Fxxk Bednar, he has his style and it doesn't work. Fire them all , the dcore regressed bigtime with Pratt.

 

[the_fan]

The front office is a joke if Bednar is still the coach by Wednesday. Every other organization would have moved on from him last year.

Tampa has been the same as us. They haven’t done much since making the finals against the Avs in 2022, and just like Bednar, many people thought they’d move on from Cooper but looks like Cooper isn’t going anywhere. I don’t think Bednar is going anywhere either

 

[expatriatedtexan]

When is locker clean-out, exit interviews and final media availabilitiese for the Avs coaches and players?

 

[Golden Foppa]

Sakic is handicapped remember so

He did stick his hand into the operating end of a snow blower...

 

[forsbergavs32]

We’ll be the most hated and pain in the ass team to play against, good for at least couple of player suspensions per season

That sounds like Matt Steinburg's music

 

[Alienblood]

He did stick his hand into the operating end of a snow blower...

exactly, and with his speech impedement it's amazing he is where he is

 

[Bender]

Personally, I am expecting Bednar to 'Paul Maurice' his way out of town. I'll be somewhat surprised if he's still head coach a week from now.

I don't think the Avs would want to 'fire him' outright but to 'mutually agree to move on' seems like something that should happen for both sides.

I'm pretty sure he knows he'll get another coaching gig pretty fast at a higher salary anyhow.

Bednar is very much a one-trick pony. Against some teams, it works extremely well but against others, it seems to be harder than it should be in the playoffs.

That's because - a lot of times, teams take on the persona of the coach.

His 'thank you sir, may I have another' philosophy just isn't made for playoff hockey :

Massive piece of shit jamie benn - headshots Devon Toews in the 2024 2nd round - no response.​

The two of spades roope hints - viciously cross-checks MacKinnon in the back of the head - no response.​

Are you f***ing kidding me ? Imagine if the Avs had not responded to slava kozlov ramming Adam Foote's head against the glass way back in 1995? LOL yeah, I don't f***ing think so.

It's because you're telling the other team - yeah, no - that's not going to happen - you want to take liberties on our best players then we are going to do the same to you - and it won't be pretty. Instead, his philosophy is that "it's ok" for those players to do shit like that to our guys, we'll just turn the other cheek and hope it doesn't happen again. It's a f***ING mind-set and you can't have that kind of mindset in the playoffs.

Jesus Christ - at this point, I think if we acquired Tom frikkin' Wilson - Bednar would turn him into Joel Armia.

He overplays his top guys because he doesn't think he can win UNLESS he does that. Which leads to those guys playing way too much - taking over nearly 95% of all of the power play time and at the same time - if you're not on that top PP unit - then you feel like you're not good enough to get it done. He doesn't empower players and instill confidence in them - and if you're ever played competitive hockey and you feel that your coach doesn't have confidence in you, it's really tough.

There's a reason why likely 29-30 NHL teams have TWO POWER PLAY LINES that get equalish playing time - Bednar thinks he's re-inventing the wheel over here. It's not like we don't have enough talent to fill two power play lines. By not having a decent 2nd unit and giving them adequate time (no...20 seconds left when the opponent just cleared the puck - IS NOT adequate time) you're not giving these top players that 'candy' that they've had since they were little kids getting power play time. You're basically telling them "sit down! I got some guys that are SO damn good, they'll play the entire 2 minutes". You're not giving them the opportunity to be successful and have it be their turn to help out the team.

For me, the fact that he didn't even TRY for ONE f***ING SHIFT - Necas with Nelson after the chemistry WE ALL SAW them have together for a little stretch at the end of the regular season is just absolutely unforgiveable. It's tony grantool-like incompetence who refused to TRY Selanne with Forsberg - not even ONCE!

The fact that he didn't take a timeout after Mikko scored his first goal or after sammy G scored the 2nd one - shows how bad he is because he's afraid it's going to give the other team more of a tactical advantage. He thinks he'd be giving them the upper hand because he's such a poor tactician - when the reality is that you just have to rally your troops, get them back on the same page AND break the other teams' momentum.

His time has come to an end.

Anyone who doesn't think this is actually on Bednar (I've seen a few posts ) sadly just doesn't understand hockey.