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As he should be. Just because he’s no longer working on this team doesn’t mean he’s not a good coach. It’s just time for a change.
Jared Bednar & Co. Discussion Thread
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As he should be. Just because he’s no longer working on this team doesn’t mean he’s not a good coach. It’s just time for a change.
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Maybe Henchy’s job with the front office is also at risk. Just saying.
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All I know is that in the slim chance Bednar is our coach next season, I'm going to start referring to him as G7
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my shirt is dry clean only, which means it's dirty
Foppa2118
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I don't think Bednar was to blame for systems, adjustments, gameplans, or any of the other buzzwords, and DeBoer wasn't the reason they lost either.
What I do think Bednar might have played a part in this year's loss was overworking his stars and being too stubborn with the line combos, not playing Marty with Nelson when both struggled nearly all series.
It's understandable not to have switched the lines during/after the Game 6 win, or during the 2-0 lead in game 7, but before that there were definitely opportunities to switch the lines.
But the biggest problem I think was the team flipped the switch off at the end of the regular season, and might not have had the gas in the tank, mentally, and emotionally to turn it back on fully. Not even sure it was physical. I think they didn't have the mental energy to get dialed back in properly after a grueling regular season, that's why they kept making mistakes, and throwing games away. Overworking guys like Nate and Cale, and to an extent Toews, may have contributed to that.
They checked out too hard. It's human nature to an extent. They needed an extended layoff to mentally reset, and the break between regular season and playoffs wasn't enough.
If they need to change the coach, because they don't have any other options, then so be it. I don't think he's the problem at all, but this was an incredibly deflating loss, and they don't have much they can do with the roster.
I don't want a rookie head coach for a top contender though. We've seen that kind of thing with Granato. The NHL is a different beast. They have to learn on the job, and usually get out coached their first playoffs. Can't afford any more lost seasons with this group. Hire Sullivan if you need a new voice.
Whether Bednar is here or not though, the players are the only ones that can figure out this mental hurdle they have in the playoffs, where they stop playing, or get frustrated, and generally just lose focus and throw games away they should win. That's 100% on them. The coach can't help them with that, and he can't play for them.
Figure it out guys.
What I do think Bednar might have played a part in this year's loss was overworking his stars and being too stubborn with the line combos, not playing Marty with Nelson when both struggled nearly all series.
It's understandable not to have switched the lines during/after the Game 6 win, or during the 2-0 lead in game 7, but before that there were definitely opportunities to switch the lines.
But the biggest problem I think was the team flipped the switch off at the end of the regular season, and might not have had the gas in the tank, mentally, and emotionally to turn it back on fully. Not even sure it was physical. I think they didn't have the mental energy to get dialed back in properly after a grueling regular season, that's why they kept making mistakes, and throwing games away. Overworking guys like Nate and Cale, and to an extent Toews, may have contributed to that.
They checked out too hard. It's human nature to an extent. They needed an extended layoff to mentally reset, and the break between regular season and playoffs wasn't enough.
If they need to change the coach, because they don't have any other options, then so be it. I don't think he's the problem at all, but this was an incredibly deflating loss, and they don't have much they can do with the roster.
I don't want a rookie head coach for a top contender though. We've seen that kind of thing with Granato. The NHL is a different beast. They have to learn on the job, and usually get out coached their first playoffs. Can't afford any more lost seasons with this group. Hire Sullivan if you need a new voice.
Whether Bednar is here or not though, the players are the only ones that can figure out this mental hurdle they have in the playoffs, where they stop playing, or get frustrated, and generally just lose focus and throw games away they should win. That's 100% on them. The coach can't help them with that, and he can't play for them.
Figure it out guys.
dahrougem2
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You know I have been with you re: Bednar all series but there are some things I'll disagree with:
1) I think they had plenty of time to get ready. The Avs finished their season before any team, and top guys stopped playing even before that. Depending on the player they had between 1-2 weeks to get mentally prepared. I don't think they needed any more time off.
2) In keeping with that, the Avs best player this series was Logan O'Connor: a guy who got minimal rest the way the top guys did.
3) The Avs blew three third period leads. At some point that is on the Head Coach. When Rantanen scored to make it 2-1, there was no reason for Bednar to hoard his timeout. He should have called it and settled the guys down. Instead he let them spiral out of control and they lost the game. On top of that, the sheer inability to figure out the PP is downright pathetic. That isn't just Bednar, but he no doubt has a say. It was a chore to watch these guys make the same mistakes over and over and over again with NOTHING done strategically to switch things up.
Ultimately, I think the entire staff needs to go. Enough is enough, and 2022 not withstanding 4 playoff series wins in 6 seasons with MacKinnon/Makar is unacceptable.
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Well shit. I don't know.
Don't want Q. Don't want Boudreau. Don't want Woodcroft. Not sure Tocchet is a great coach on the X's and O's. Gallant's an asshole and would wear out his welcome quick. Not sure Torts is great of the new NHL. Never liked his breakout scheme and think he also would wear out his welcome quick.
It's too bad Cooper is staying in Tampa. He'd be my top choice with this team that has some similarities to the Lightning.
I'd also take Roy back with Foote and Hinote as assistants, but I know most wouldn't, and it's highly unlikely Sakic brings him back after how he left anyway.
Just like the UFA class, the HC class sucks. I'd stick with Bednar because I don't think he's the problem, but I can understand the desire for a change after so long.
Yeah, this is the problem. That's why I say I'd give Bednar new eyes at the very least, but it would be Tangs & Foote.
I enjoy Torts personality almost as much as Roy, but I'm on an Island there lol.
Foppa2118
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Well I did put some blame on Bednar, I think you left that out.
As I mentioned, I don't think it was physical. I think the issue was mentally and emotionally. A week off or so wasn't enough after a grueling season, and the stars playing as much as they did.
Sometimes you can flip the switch back on. I don't think they could this year.
I think some of that at least Bednar may be to blame for, by insisting on overplaying them all year. If they hadn't been taxed so much before, they might have been able to flip the switch back on easier.
I've also always thought, and mentioned here, that I think the lack of scoring touch migth also be a byproduct of his system. They work so hard to hound pucks, that when they go to shoot, they relax a bit, since all the hard work is over. That system also won them a Cup though, and dominates teams quite often, including Dallas many times in the playoff and regular season.
Also the line combos are inexcusable early on when they weren't working. Last two games I understand not switching, but the fact is Marty and Nelson struggled nearly all series, and putting them with each other could have solved that.
The blown third period leads aren't the coach though. That's 100% on the players. They're the ones making costly mistakes at key times. I can't see how timeouts are why they lost.
I won't fight against the idea that maybe a change is necessary after he's been here so long, but I won't push for it either, because I don't believe coaching is the problem. The players will still have to figure this out all by themselves with a new coach.
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Foppa2118
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Another team can give him a second chance if they want. I'd prefer not to have someone who covered up sexual assault on his own player on my team.
If they have to bring in a new coach, I might lean towards Torts, but not be super happy about the idea. I'm open to other suggestions?
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Oh, so nothing to do with his coaching ability. Same reason as @Pokecheque.
I’m fine with that being your reasoning, btw. Just wanted to see if you had any coaching reason for not wanting him.
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Without that, he'd be my top choice.
Would have preferred Sullivan or Cooper, but they're not available.
Don't want Carle for the reasons I mentioned. I don't want a rookie NHL coach learning on the job with a top contender. Too much risk and they can't throw away seasons anymore.
I'd still take Bednar back. Might buy them time to find a better replacement if they need to anyway. Maybe both the Bolts and Avs struggled to start next year, and they swap Bednar and Cooper?
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2025 NHL Coach Carousel: Breaking down the top names available
Breaking down 24 candidates for the eight confirmed vacancies and counting.
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Among ACs with no NHL head coaching experience, I actually like Jeff Halpern the most.
He’s spent the past 7 years as an assistant under Cooper in Tampa Bay and is considered to be a very tactical, Xs and Os type coach. Many people attribute some of Tampa’s success to his work on the bench. Cooper leaves all timeout strategies to him as well.
dahrougem2
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Is he an asshole? If not, I don't want him.2025 NHL Coach Carousel: Breaking down the top names available
Breaking down 24 candidates for the eight confirmed vacancies and counting.
Among ACs with no NHL head coaching experience, I actually like Jeff Halpern the most.
He’s spent the past 7 years as an assistant under Cooper in Tampa Bay and is considered to be a very tactical, Xs and Os type coach. Many people attribute some of Tampa’s success to his work on the bench. Cooper leaves all timeout strategies to him as well.
I'm serious too lol. I believe wholeheartedly that both MacKinnon and Makar need an absolute asshole behind the bench to get them to win again.
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Then you want Coach Q.
He’s going to challenge players eye to eye, face to face, to be better and be accountable.
Unlike Tortorella who hasn’t won in 21 years, Coach Q has 3 Cups in that timeframe and has gotten the best out of some interesting egos like Patty Kane.
You’d have to think Sakic has a good relationship with Q as well.
It will come down to whether the Kroenkes are okay with the media and PR bullshit.
If we want him, he’s just an hour up in the mountains watching over us. I’d imagine he would take the Avs job in a heartbeat.
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Whose assistants are Bennett and Pratt? JB. PP and PK don’t work? Should’ve been switched up long ago. Playing a passive PK. That was a serious mistake. You know the old adage about where the buck stops. So at a minimum I would hope you’d support canning Bennett and Pratt.
And who overworked guys like Mack, Makar and Toews? TBF, JB didn’t have much choice when they were a one line team with so many injuries
I agree the players had already mentally checked out. But I can’t forgive JB’s stubbornness or lack of adaptability in mixing up his lines. Or coaching the physicality out of Lindgren. He was so much more effective earlier in the series.
Avs might have had a chance if JB recognized much earlier the value of being able to roll four effective lines from the outset. At one point, posters here loved our bottom 6 and many talked about promoting Coyle to 2C. While I don’t agree with that proposal, it shows the third line was working. Instead as the series wore on, the 3rd line sucked.
Still, Avs simply didn’t have the drive to go far in the POs despite having been gifted a team with holes filled, GTing, 2C, health, Stars injuries, veteran players that had already won the SC and Landeskog’s return. If you don’t have the drive and you’re still a player then you’re a passenger. So in that sense I can at least accept and reconcile this galling loss. They weren’t going to get very far in the POs regardless. The players checked out is another way of saying they didn’t meet their obligations as professionals. That’s a conversation I’d hope the HC would have with Makar and Toews. You say it’s totally on the players to maintain that focus. Sometimes it’s necessary to have that discussion.
It makes me wonder what attributes IYO you regard as making a good HC. We differ there and saying figure it out guys really does nothing to change the dynamic or trajectory of the series. The inability to perceive that is frustrating.
Unless the Avs can get another HC that’s somewhat palatable then okay, stay with JB. But stubbornness to changing things up in the face of a lack of offensive production is not good coaching. That’s indisputable hard evidence given the outcome regardless of what the stats say. As I wrote earlier. The only metric that really matters is who ultimately wins the series. That’s why you can’t rely solely on stats or an eye test that blinds you to what everyone else sees. Sorry Foppa2118. You’re one of the forum members whose opinion I sincerely value and hold in high regard. But I think you were overly dismissive of some of the concerns which we JB critics raised long ago.
Maybe DeBoer is incredibly lucky but if JB couldn’t see how he lost games 2, 3 and 7 - close games that the Avs should have put away but allowed the Stars the opportunity to tie it late and win it then that’s really disappointing. It was the same pattern over and over and JB never adapted.
JB can be pretty cerebral but sometimes, he’s just being stubborn without a good reason. And IMO that directly lead to last night’s outcome.
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Not a bad choice.
He won’t be cheap, though. The Avs like cheap head coaches.
Foote is likely to go with him as an assistant coach wherever he lands.
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Yup. Probably Q although I share Foppa2118’s concern. BTW, more than a few Bolts fans are ready to move on from Cooper.
