Value of: Jamie Benn and Tyler Seguin to the Blackhawks

[Chaos]

I've no opinion on that, one way or another. All I'm saying is that there probably isn't a market for him right now, as a contracted player.

Maybe, but that doesn’t even matter. The Stars aren’t looking to trade him, and I doubt he’d be interested in waiving his NMC anyways.

 

[beowulf]

9.5 x 2. 33 years old. Full NMC. These are the things that matter, not point production.

If Benn was a UFA looking for a new deal, he'd garner some attention from around the league. But he isn't. Benns don't get traded, because GMs don't want to take on contracts like that.

Guess we will have to disagree on that one.

 

[wintersej]

If Chicago wants to add some skilled vets around Bedard (not a bad idea) there are better options in both term and salary.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Seguin for Jones I would gladly get on board with. Dallas desperately needs a RHD that is actually good at hockey. Miller is not.

That being said I doubt Seguin will waive and Dallas is not giving up young players like Johnston just to offload his contract.

No need to move Benn unless it greatly benefits the team. He has 2 years left. No big contracts to pay for Dallas in the next 2 years either.

I could care less about that stone hit. Not sure why people are so upset over that. It’s on the same level as pietrangelo’s hit and yet no one is saying Vegas needs to trade him. Same with Makar’s dirty hit.

The Mathews contract will be a lot and they could use the space from Benn next season.

wait so in a new system Benn goes back to nearly a PPG and now Dallas moves their young Center who scored 24 goals as a 19 year old to move a now improved Benn (and banged up Seguin)?

Benn has 2 years left and looks good in the new system. Sure his suspension was beyond stupid and inexcusable, but its not a "Move him at any cost" play. Dallas can easily ride out the 2 years left in his contract and IF they chose to move on from him... Johnston would never be in the price to move him.

I’ll take Austin Mathews and Patrick Kane/Taresanko over Seguin/Benn.

I guess the real reason here would be for Mathews

 

[Maukkis]

Maybe, but that doesn’t even matter. The Stars aren’t looking to trade him, and I doubt he’d be interested in waiving his NMC anyways.

True, captains aren't moved around too often. Besides, it seems unlikely that Benn would turn out to be a massive cap problem - Dallas has structured their cap really well, and Benn is part of that (his 9.5 comes off the books right when Johnston and Oettinger need to be signed). Seguin, on the other hand, is a massive anchor with that fourth year at 9.85 and will cause difficulties down the line.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Wow. A lot to unpack here.

I do not think Chicago wants to bring in Benn OR Seguin as "insulation" for their incoming star Connor Bedard.

Even if they did, I doubt either player would want to play there.

Wyatt Johnston is not for sale.

Auston Matthews isn't going to Dallas.

I'm not usually a betting man, but I'd be tempted to bet on that if it was an option. I wonder what the line is, on "Matthews not signing with Dallas next summer".



*fan......possibly. OP claims to be Unbiased though, so who's to say.

And yes, it is nuts.

I’m a leafs fan. 100% neutral on the topic. I think those 3 out and Kane and Mathews in would be huge for Dallas. I actually think that would turn them into the undisputed best team in NHL for a couple of years

 

[Unbiased Fan]

If Chicago wants to add some skilled vets around Bedard (not a bad idea) there are better options in both term and salary.

I was thinking in terms of gaining assets to take back the contract.

 

[slappipappi]

I feel like these 2 would be the absolute 2 perfect people to insulate Bedard on that top line. Obviously they have no reason to waive but let’s say they do because they get to go to a team that actually wants them and the idea of playing in a major hockey market and isolating Bedard excites them.

What would the Stars be willing to add to these 2 to open up almost 20 million in cap space? Wyatt Johnson? This could almost guarantee Mathews as a star in 2024-2025

With Chicago talking on close to $60MM worth of cash and cap, the cost would be humongous. Seguin’s cap goes for 4 more years, so he is immovable.

Benn has value, so I’m guessing his cost would be at least a 1st round pick. And only 2 years. But 20MM is a lot, I expect Chicago could do better elsewhere.

 

[BHawk21]

How bout Panarin Benn trade where 50% caps of both go to Chicago for assets. Has a three team trade like that happened yet?

Dallas saves 3.5 mil and gets an Panarin for the extra year
NYC saves 6.5 mil and switches out Benn and Panarin

Chicago eats like 11 mil a year for 2 years then 5.8 for the last year.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

How bout Panarin Benn trade where 50% caps of both go to Chicago for assets. Has a three team trade like that happened yet?

Dallas saves 3.5 mil and gets an Panarin for the extra year
NYC saves 6.5 mil and switches out Benn and Panarin

Chicago eats like 11 mil a year for 2 years then 5.8 for the last year.

That’d be cool but I feel like it’d take a lot of assets

 

[Breakers]

$20+ million in signing Bonuses for Seguin considering his production.

good luck finding a team for that.

 

[doublechili]

If CHI is looking for vets to insulate Bedard, wouldn't they be better served finding high character guys, maybe one with muscle, with a year or two left on their contracts, and who are not going to mess with the rebuild timeline by making CHI too good too soon? I'm sure fans of every team could make suggestions, but as an Isles fan I could see guys like Bailey and Martin fitting this description.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Don’t see Seguin and Benn waiving at all. Dallas isn’t moving Johnson. Hawks aren’t going to take $19 million in cap room

 

[Unbiased Fan]

If CHI is looking for vets to insulate Bedard, wouldn't they be better served finding high character guys, maybe one with muscle, with a year or two left on their contracts, and who are not going to mess with the rebuild timeline by making CHI too good too soon? I'm sure fans of every team could make suggestions, but as an Isles fan I could see guys like Bailey and Martin fitting this description.

Yeah because Bailey and Martin are going to help Bedard gain confidence. No they are awful players. They need players that can help Bedard crack 100 points and take the offensive load off of Bedard. Ideally the vet should be better offensively then a 18 year old Bedard. ( Honestly if Seguin rebounds abit maybe? Also Benn is the definition of a team player. )

 

[doublechili]

Yeah because Bailey and Martin are going to help Bedard gain confidence. No they are awful players. They need players that can help Bedard crack 100 points and take the offensive load off of Bedard. Ideally the vet should be better offensively then a 18 year old Bedard. ( Honestly if Seguin rebounds abit maybe? Also Benn is the definition of a team player. )

I like the way you start with "Yeah".

CHI already has Jones at $9.5M until 2030, so go ahead and add 2 more $10M-ish salaries for muiltiple years so that Bedard can get 100 points next season. Sounds like a good plan.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

I like the way you start with "Yeah".

CHI already has Jones at $9.5M until 2030, so go ahead and add 2 more $10M-ish salaries for muiltiple years so that Bedard can get 100 points next season. Sounds like a good plan.

The hawks are 6-7 years away from competing for a cup by the time they’re ready those contracts will be gone

 

[bert]

Dude? Did you see that cross check

Ridiculous to think that erases everything this guy has done for that franchise. Listen to how Turco talks about him in his interviews.

Benn has value he isn't a salary dump. He literally does it all any team in the league wants him.

 

[Putt Pirate]

The hawks are 6-7 years away from competing for a cup by the time they’re ready those contracts will be gone

More like 4-5.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

No reason for Chicago to want Benn or Seguin.
They’re not gonna help a rebuild.

 

[Dr Quincy]

I feel like these 2 would be the absolute 2 perfect people to insulate Bedard on that top line. Obviously they have no reason to waive but let’s say they do because they get to go to a team that actually wants them and the idea of playing in a major hockey market and isolating Bedard excites them.

What would the Stars be willing to add to these 2 to open up almost 20 million in cap space? Wyatt Johnson? This could almost guarantee Mathews as a star in 2024-2025

They just got to the conference finals with Seguin, Benn and Johnson. While it would be nice to clear space, they are contenders now with their lineup. Remove those 3 and they aren't.

This is just a "How can I get a really good young player on my team without giving up a single asset?" offer.

 

[doublechili]

The hawks are 6-7 years away from competing for a cup by the time they’re ready those contracts will be gone

So why get 2 guys who might get you an extra 10 points and cost you draft position? Better to use cap space on guys that won't get CHI too many points and are on expiring contracts and might get you some extra picks at the TDL. But in the meantime are good role models and protection for kids. Not saying Bailey and Martin are the guys, but character vets on expiring contracts seems the way to go, IMO.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

They just got to the conference finals with Seguin, Benn and Johnson. While it would be nice to clear space, they are contenders now with their lineup. Remove those 3 and they aren't.

This is just a "How can I get a really good young player on my team without giving up a single asset?" offer.

IMO I’d take Austin Mathews over those 3.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

So why get 2 guys who might get you an extra 10 points and cost you draft position? Better to use cap space on guys that won't get CHI too many points and are on expiring contracts and might get you some extra picks at the TDL. But in the meantime are good role models and protection for kids. Not saying Bailey and Martin are the guys, but character vets on expiring contracts seems the way to go, IMO.

I respectfully disagree from what I heard about Gordie Howe Jamie Benn strikes me a lot like him. One of the greatest captains of all time he can do it all absolute warrior. Makes dirty plays like Gordie Howes does to pump up his team and get the other team in there head. Mental warfare is a huge part of hockey and can be the sole reason a team wins a game. I can think of no single player in the NHL who’d realistically come to the Blackhawks that’d be a better role model for Bedard

Now onto the talent getting extra wins well right now the Blackhawks are tanking. Look at McDavid and Crosby. As soon as they came in there teams started competing. Look at eichel. Eichel was brought into a losing culture like the Blackhawks and he developed into a loser ( Vegas turned him around ). The point is Bedard should be surrounded with the players that will get the most out of him and I believe Seguin and Benn are the 2 most realistic options.

 

[EXTRAS]

I actually think the benn contract is okay. A couple years ago he wasn't playing too well buy he seems to have gotten better again. And has an edge. The contract only has 2 years left on it so it shouldn't ever be too bad.

The Seguin contract on the other hand has 4 years left and hes lost a good step. I think they'd pay to move him. How much? Probably would need to pay a decent amount given its got like 30m still owing on it.

 

[Chicago1948]

I feel like these 2 would be the absolute 2 perfect people to insulate Bedard on that top line. Obviously they have no reason to waive but let’s say they do because they get to go to a team that actually wants them and the idea of playing in a major hockey market and isolating Bedard excites them.

What would the Stars be willing to add to these 2 to open up almost 20 million in cap space? Wyatt Johnson? This could almost guarantee Mathews as a star in 2024-2025

So the Hawks should blow up their rebuild to give Bedard a safe space? Lots of cheaper option if you want to protect CB. Is there a need to get Bedard 100 Pts next year?