Value of: Jamie Benn and Tyler Seguin to the Blackhawks

[Unbiased Fan]

I feel like these 2 would be the absolute 2 perfect people to insulate Bedard on that top line. Obviously they have no reason to waive but let’s say they do because they get to go to a team that actually wants them and the idea of playing in a major hockey market and isolating Bedard excites them.

What would the Stars be willing to add to these 2 to open up almost 20 million in cap space? Wyatt Johnson? This could almost guarantee Mathews as a star in 2024-2025

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[Hoglander]

Why would the Hawks want to isolate Bedard? It's already hard enough coming into the league at 18/19 years old.

 

[Sweetpotato]

I feel like these 2 would be the absolute 2 perfect people to isolate Bedard on that top line. Obviously they have no reason to waive but let’s say they do because they get to go to a team that actually wants them and the idea of playing in a major hockey market and isolating Bedard excites them.

What would the Stars be willing to add to these 2 to open up almost 20 million in cap space? Wyatt Johnson? This could almost guarantee Mathews as a star in 2024-2025

Would you add Korchinski to move Jones?

Franchise prospects don't get moved to get rid of salary. Imagine before he broke out if they had tried this with Robertson.

Not sure Dallas would want to move Benn anyway.

Why would the Hawks want to isolate Bedard? It's already hard enough coming into the league at 18/19 years old.

I think he means insulate

 

[Coffee]

Why would the Hawks want to isolate Bedard? It's already hard enough coming into the league at 18/19 years old.

Maybe hard for you

Not sure Dallas would want to move Benn anyway.

Dude? Did you see that cross check

 

[Sweetpotato]

Maybe hard for you


Dude? Did you see that cross check

He's their captain, near P/G pace and brings an edge that contributes to their culture. A suspension doesn't change that. I can imagine the org would much rather move Seguin and keep Benn.

 

[Coffee]

He's their captain, near P/G pace and brings an edge that contributes to their culture. A suspension doesn't change that. I can imagine the org would much rather move Seguin and keep Benn.

Fair enough. I hope your wings make the playoffs.


We’ll see you out on the ice …

 

[Putt Pirate]

Would you add Korchinski to move Jones?

Franchise prospects don't get moved to get rid of salary. Imagine before he broke out if they had tried this with Robertson.

Not sure Dallas would want to move Benn anyway.


I think he means insulate

Hawks say hell no to that.

 

[Hoglander]

People actually thought I didn't know what the OP meant to say... smh. Pretty damn obvious I was poking fun at the typo

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Why would the Hawks want to isolate Bedard? It's already hard enough coming into the league at 18/19 years old.

Need to build mental toughness but you know what I mean.

He's their captain, near P/G pace and brings an edge that contributes to their culture. A suspension doesn't change that. I can imagine the org would much rather move Seguin and keep Benn.

No argument against Benn not being solid this year but still overpaid and I’m sure the organization would prefer the cap space.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Would you add Korchinski to move Jones?

Franchise prospects don't get moved to get rid of salary. Imagine before he broke out if they had tried this with Robertson.

Not sure Dallas would want to move Benn anyway.


I think he means insulate

I think they’d jump on the opportunity to sell high. In the right situation ( let’s say they absolutely needed to move Jones to come up with cap space to sign Bedard or he was going to walk in free agency then maybe they’d pay Korchinsky. ) I think last season the panthers would’ve moved Lundell to move Bob.

 

[Ulysses31]

stars fans reaallly wanna to package benn and seguin and johnston for future considerations? dont watch stars much , but that seems nuts to me.

 

[Dr Pepper]

I feel like these 2 would be the absolute 2 perfect people to insulate Bedard on that top line. Obviously they have no reason to waive but let’s say they do because they get to go to a team that actually wants them and the idea of playing in a major hockey market and isolating Bedard excites them.

What would the Stars be willing to add to these 2 to open up almost 20 million in cap space? Wyatt Johnson? This could almost guarantee Mathews as a star in 2024-2025

Wow. A lot to unpack here.

I do not think Chicago wants to bring in Benn OR Seguin as "insulation" for their incoming star Connor Bedard.

Even if they did, I doubt either player would want to play there.

Wyatt Johnston is not for sale.

Auston Matthews isn't going to Dallas.

I'm not usually a betting man, but I'd be tempted to bet on that if it was an option. I wonder what the line is, on "Matthews not signing with Dallas next summer".

stars fans reaallly wanna to package benn and seguin and johnston for future considerations? dont watch stars much , but they seems nuts to me.

*fan......possibly. OP claims to be Unbiased though, so who's to say.

And yes, it is nuts.

 

[Zrhutch]

Would like to hear one reason Dallas does this.

 

[oconnor9sean]

stars fans reaallly wanna to package benn and seguin and johnston for future considerations? dont watch stars much , but they seems nuts to me.

These Benn and Seguin trades popping up aren't from Stars fans.

Benn isn't even a bad contract anymore. Only 2 years left and he just finished top-35 in scoring. Maybe overpaid a hair, but I have no idea why people are acting like Dallas HAS to move those two.

Seguin's deal isn't great, but Dallas is in an excellent spot with their salary cap structure, so they don't need to do anything right now.

 

[WhatWhat]

I feel like these 2 would be the absolute 2 perfect people to insulate Bedard on that top line. Obviously they have no reason to waive but let’s say they do because they get to go to a team that actually wants them and the idea of playing in a major hockey market and isolating Bedard excites them.

What would the Stars be willing to add to these 2 to open up almost 20 million in cap space? Wyatt Johnson? This could almost guarantee Mathews as a star in 2024-2025

wait so in a new system Benn goes back to nearly a PPG and now Dallas moves their young Center who scored 24 goals as a 19 year old to move a now improved Benn (and banged up Seguin)?

Benn has 2 years left and looks good in the new system. Sure his suspension was beyond stupid and inexcusable, but its not a "Move him at any cost" play. Dallas can easily ride out the 2 years left in his contract and IF they chose to move on from him... Johnston would never be in the price to move him.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Doubt Benn or Seguin waive NMC to come to rebuild

From Hawks POV Seguin contract is non-starter IMO with 4 more years left

 

[beowulf]

I don't see why Dallas would do this as they are in a win now mode with a Cup final in 2020 and almost another finals visit this year. They won't be shedding veterans for picks and prospects yet.

 

[Maukkis]

I think they’d jump on the opportunity to sell high. In the right situation ( let’s say they absolutely needed to move Jones to come up with cap space to sign Bedard or he was going to walk in free agency then maybe they’d pay Korchinsky. ) I think last season the panthers would’ve moved Lundell to move Bob.

If Chicago had anything at all on the line, they'd boot both Korchinski and Nazar out of the door without hesitation to get rid of Jones' deal. It is also entirely possible that the offer would be turned down by the other team. But right now, what would be the point in doing that? Do they need to open up space for Cole Guttman?

Seguin and Benn might nix any possible trades themselves, but even if they wanted to get traded, there probably isn't market for either player. Too much, too long, too old.

 

[roryjones]

Seguin for Jones I would gladly get on board with. Dallas desperately needs a RHD that is actually good at hockey. Miller is not.

That being said I doubt Seguin will waive and Dallas is not giving up young players like Johnston just to offload his contract.

No need to move Benn unless it greatly benefits the team. He has 2 years left. No big contracts to pay for Dallas in the next 2 years either.

I could care less about that stone hit. Not sure why people are so upset over that. It’s on the same level as pietrangelo’s hit and yet no one is saying Vegas needs to trade him. Same with Makar’s dirty hit.

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

Would like to hear one reason Dallas does this.

I think the only real reason is cap space.
But I don't even think that's worth it hah

 

[beowulf]

If Chicago had anything at all on the line, they'd boot both Korchinski and Nazar out of the door without hesitation to get rid of Jones' deal. It is also entirely possible that the offer would be turned down by the other team. But right now, what would be the point in doing that? Do they need to open up space for Cole Guttman?

Seguin and Benn might nix any possible trades themselves, but even if they wanted to get traded, there probably isn't market for either player. Too much, too long, too old.

Maybe you can make that argument for Seguin who's production has sucked for a while and has 4x$9.85M cap hit. But been just put up 33 goals and 78 point and only has 2 years left with a $9.5M cap hit.

 

[Maukkis]

Maybe you can make that argument for Seguin who's production has sucked for a while and has 4x$9.85M cap hit. But been just put up 33 goals and 78 point and only has 2 years left with a $9.5M cap hit.

9.5 x 2. 33 years old. Full NMC. These are the things that matter, not point production.

If Benn was a UFA looking for a new deal, he'd garner some attention from around the league. But he isn't. Benns don't get traded, because GMs don't want to take on contracts like that.

 

[Zrhutch]

I think the only real reason is cap space.
But I don't even think that's worth it hah

Yeah, exactly. Over the life of Benn’s deal, the only guys Dallas will need to resign are Dellandrea this offseason, and Pavelski, Harley, and Lundkvist the next. Could make an argument for Faksa too, but let’s just keep moving.

Seguin is a bit of a different story, needing Robertson and a few other RFAs (Johnston, Stankoven, Bourque, Otter) to be signed during his deal. But with the cap going up, it’s nothing impossible.

 

[Chaos]

9.5 x 2. 33 years old. Full NMC. These are the things that matter, not point production.

If Benn was a UFA looking for a new deal, he'd garner some attention from around the league. But he isn't. Benns don't get traded, because GMs don't want to take on contracts like that.

If he was a UFA right now, coming off of a 78 point season, he’d definitely get more than a 2 year deal. Not at a 9.5m cap hit of course, but definitely more than 2 years

 

[Maukkis]

If he was a UFA right now, coming off of a 78 point season, he’d definitely get more than a 2 year deal. Not at a 9.5m cap hit of course, but definitely more than 2 years

I've no opinion on that, one way or another. All I'm saying is that there probably isn't a market for him right now, as a contracted player.