Confirmed with Link: James Wisniewski and a 3rd to Anaheim for William Karlsson, Rene Bourque, and a 2nd

[major major]

Whether the Wiz deal makes us better next year or not depends on what Jarmo adds to our D this summer. As far as pure subtraction goes, I don't think it helps us one bit. The late season run shows we can win without him if everything else goes right, but that's about it.

It made no sense for the Ducks to acquire Wiz given their plethora of highly skilled young defenders. I expected him to look like a slow version of Vatanen, and that's basically what he is for them. But none of this has any bearing on whether Wiz makes the Jackets a better team or not.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Jarmo hasn't pulled off a trade I'm a fan of yet. I guess flipping Horton was creative, but that's about it. The Wiz deal made us worse this season, and next, for the hope that a 3rd to 2nd round upgrade will pay off, and/or a prospect in the Ducks farm system can play NHL level hockey.

I'm all about future growth, but I actually think next season could be a very productive one.

Please explain this. We went 16-3-1 without him after the trade (IIRC), and we were much more solid on the backend. Yes, James Wisniewski brought a lot to the table in terms of the PP production and offensive output, but he was a wreck on the back end, and was a defensive liability. Not to mention his god awful foot speed. The front office is much more confident moving forward without him and I respect that, and the team responded well after the trade. So no, it did NOT hurt us last season.

Next season, it would have been more of the same for Wiz, and we still would be looking for an upgrade to the top-4. I'd like to think the Kevin Connauton is Wiz's replacement for next year as he has a heavy shot and can play on the PP. He just has more speed. Again, I really don't think this hurts us in the longterm either, as it freed up a roster spot and got rid of a long contract.

If we can pull off a trade this summer, I would have to think the defense would look like this....

JJ-Savard
Murray-xxxx(trade)
Tyutin-Goloubef/Connauton/Prout

and if no trade is made, Tyutin with Golo and Murray with Connauton.

 

[BluejacketNut]

The Wiz trade is a push if we land a replacement. If we dont, it was a terrible deal and will bite us in the first couple injuries we get when we're calling up someone who doesnt truly belong in the NHL

 

[hardkorejackets]

The Wiz trade is a push if we land a replacement. If we dont, it was a terrible deal and will bite us in the first couple injuries we get when we're calling up someone who doesnt truly belong in the NHL

I imagine at some point this off-season we will make a trade to acquire a D-man. Not too worried about it. I just can't see us going into training camp with this many forwards. I'm sure this deal was made in part to convince Mike Reilly to sign with us. But, Oh well. I'm not even close to make a decision whether we won or lost this deal.

I am curious what Anaheim does with Wiz this offseason though..

 

[Jackets16]

The Wiz trade is a push if we land a replacement. If we dont, it was a terrible deal and will bite us in the first couple injuries we get when we're calling up someone who doesnt truly belong in the NHL

We could put a forward back there and be just as good .

 

[CBJx614]

We could put a forward back there and be just as good .

Im sure Foligno would

 

[NotWendell]

I think this guy may be onto something. Or just ON something. You decide!

 

[WannabeFinn]

Is Wiz the first "big name" deadline acquisition that didn't play a single game for his team in the playoffs despite being healthy?

 

[Tulipunaruusu*]

Is Wiz the first "big name" deadline acquisition that didn't play a single game for his team in the playoffs despite being healthy?

 

[WannabeFinn]

I'm a little confused by this response. We didn't make the playoffs and Karlsson isn't exactly a "big name".

 

[db2011]

I'm a little confused by this response. We didn't make the playoffs and Karlsson isn't exactly a "big name".

thus not playing a single game in the playoffs.

Maybe a flipping of the script so it was actually the Karlsson trade and not the Wizniewski trade?

 

[Xoggz22]

So it will be interesting to see what happens with the 58th pick and can the CBJ turn Bourque into another low end pick or stretch prospect. Too bad Wiz didn't play in the playoffs. I feel bad for the guy but maybe the return wasn't all that bad after all....

 

[KeithBWhittington]

So it will be interesting to see what happens with the 58th pick and can the CBJ turn Bourque into another low end pick or stretch prospect. Too bad Wiz didn't play in the playoffs. I feel bad for the guy but maybe the return wasn't all that bad after all....

Kinda thinking the same thing. My only guess was he didn't truly fit what Anaheim needed. Bourque will be lucky to fetch us something in the order of of a 6th or 7th at the deadline assuming he looks engaged the whole season and does modest on the stat sheet, any shuttle trips to and from Cleveland will hurt the value though.

I was pleasantly surprised by Karlsson. He didn't exactly look like he deserved a call up based on his numbers from his first, what, 10 games in Springfield, but he didn't look too bad up here.

 

[Nordique]

Wiz 1st was there to give them a solid 7th man in case of injury in the post season, secondly he was a veteran option in case one of those 4 kids they have back there got in over their head down the stretch, and lastly gave them leverage on Bueachemin.

No one got hurt and their under 25 dmen played lights out down the stretch. Wiz will likely be a 3rd pairing + PP guy there next season.

I can't say anyone won this trade. Karlsson doesn't look like anything special to me. I'd say he's our 6th best forward prospect, behind Wennberg, Dano, Rychel, Milano, and Bjorkstrand (Tynan? Zaar?).

 

[Jackets16]

I'd say we won and by quite a bit. Just freeing up the salary made it a win for us, IMO.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Ducks GM on Wisniewski's playoff benching: 'I wish he’d gotten an opportunity'

 

[EspenK]

Ducks GM on Wisniewski's playoff benching: 'I wish he’d gotten an opportunity'

Another move by Boudreau to drive Murray crazy?

 

[lotsaluv4cbj]

Anyone else feel bad for the guy for not getting to play at all in the playoffs? Maybe he'll make it "home" in time to catch some of the Memorial?

 

[Mayor Bee]

Another move by Boudreau to drive Murray crazy?

That would be some Ted Nolan-level crap.

 

[JacketsDavid]

Anyone else feel bad for the guy for not getting to play at all in the playoffs? Maybe he'll make it "home" in time to catch some of the Memorial?

He will be in town Friday (saw it somewhere). he's buddies with Jason Day.

Now sure how we consider it a "win". We didn't get a haul in return. It did show that one of our top 4 dmen wasn't even top 6 material for a good team, granted different system. We can all criticize Wiz all we want for his (lack of) defense but from all statistics he was one of our 2 best, healthy d-men last couple of seasons.

it makes sense that the CBJ needed to shuffle salaries. Not like his contract was real expensive but JJ (with his troubles) was tougher to move I guess.

But again I have a problem calling any trade a win after such a short period of time. All it showed me is we are woefully lacking in our top 4 dmen. Yes the team played better after he was traded but seemed like Bob played better (still facing a lot of shots) rather than the d just played better, but who knows.

 

[Jackets16]

My numbers may not be exact, but here you go.

With Wisniewski:
GP - 56
PTS/G - 0.95 (PTS the team earned)
SA/G - 32.55
GA/G - 3.14
GF/G - 2.52

Without Wisniewski:
GP - 26
PTS/G -1.38 (PTS the team earned)
SA/G - 34.88
GA/G - 2.77
GF/G - 3.31

 

[Nordique]

My numbers may not be exact, but here you go.

With Wisniewski:
GP - 56
PTS/G - 0.95 (PTS the team earned)
SA/G - 32.55
GA/G - 3.14
GF/G - 2.52

Without Wisniewski:
GP - 26
PTS/G -1.38 (PTS the team earned)
SA/G - 34.88
GA/G - 2.77
GF/G - 3.31

Very deceiving. Overall team health was considerably better in those 26 games without Wiz. He had poor season, but correlation != causation.

 

[Jackets16]

Very deceiving. Overall team health was considerably better in those 26 games without Wiz. He had poor season, but correlation != causation.

What is deceiving? Yes, we have a better team. I didn't post it to try to make him look bad. In fact, I was surprised SA were lower when he played. It also includes games from earlier in the season. The fact is, we were a better team without him. There are a lot of reasons for that, but one of them was him. I know some on here love the guy, but he is so overrated by some (and underrated by others).

 

[JacketsDavid]

What is deceiving? Yes, we have a better team. I didn't post it to try to make him look bad. In fact, I was surprised SA were lower when he played. It also includes games from earlier in the season. The fact is, we were a better team without him. There are a lot of reasons for that, but one of them was him. I know some on here love the guy, but he is so overrated by some (and underrated by others).

Agreed - like I guessed (and thank you for the stats) it didn't look like the actual defense got better after he left (as the SA went up) it was the fact that the goaltending was much better/consistent and we started scoring .8 more goals/game. Again I'm sure someone could argue the quality of the shots allowed, but raw data shows the SA went up.

 

[KeithBWhittington]

The Wiz trade is a push if we land a replacement. If we dont, it was a terrible deal and will bite us in the first couple injuries we get when we're calling up someone who doesnt truly belong in the NHL

I suspect that's what Rychel is being dangled for. Both Golo and Falk will be "next man up" after the top six, at least they have experience. Assuming the defense doesn't get hit again with a lot of injuries, the team should be able to go 8 deep before hard questions need to be asked, of course, this is assuming they are able to swing a deal involving Rychel and/if/or whoever else and get a PMD that has NHL experience