Prospect Info: Jakob Pelletier, Left Wing, 26th Overall

[Kranix]

My bad. Treliving told mgmt he refused to work with the guy any more. He wasn't the person who actually fired the schmuck.

Can you post your source on this

 

[Rubi]

Can you post your source on this

Friedman: ‘Deteriorating relationship’ with Darryl Sutter played role in Brad Treliving’s exit

On the day that the Stanley Cup playoffs began, the biggest story in hockey on Monday was Brad Treliving parting ways with the Calgary Flames. According to Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman in his 32 Thoughts column, the relationship between Treliving and head coach Darryl Sutter played a big role...

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[Rubi]

What did Darryl do to him

There was a power battle going on between Treliving and Sutter and Pelletier suffered. Sutter didnt give a shit about Pelletier. He just wanted Tre to know that Tre wasn't his boss. Sutter is a dink. I have no respect for the man. You don't treat people like that... especially young rookie players.

Jakob Pelletier was called up in early January and didn’t dress for two weeks. Pelletier eventually got into the lineup for 24 games, but that was over an 87-day stint on the NHL roster, and also saw him scratched for much of the club’s stretch drive.

 

[Kranix]

There was a power battle going on between Treliving and Sutter and Pelletier suffered. Sutter didnt give a shit about Pelletier. He just wanted Tre to know that Tre wasn't his boss. Sutter is a dink.

Or is Treliving a dink?

 

[Rubi]

Or is Treliving a dink?

To my knowledge Treliving has been nothing but respectful towards others. That can't be said about Sutter.

 

[Kranix]

To my knowledge Treliving has been nothing but respectful towards others. That can't be said about Sutter.

According to you, Treliving staked his tenure as Flames gm on Darryl's deployment of a middle six winger prospect. Sounds whack, on Tre's part. To your knowledge, Darryl lashed out at rabid media members with one simple joke, and apologized to Pelletier in person afterward. Have any other inside dirt?

 

[Rubi]

According to you, Treliving staked his tenure as Flames gm on Darryl's deployment of a middle six winger prospect. Sounds whack, on Tre's part. To your knowledge, Darryl lashed out at rabid media members with one simple joke, and apologized to Pelletier in person afterward. Have any other inside dirt?

Did he ever apologize to Huberdeau? Has he ever apologized to all the players that he's coached and think he's an asshole and refuse to play for him? Suter has a history of disrespecting players.

 

[Kranix]

Did he ever apologize to Huberdeau? Has he ever apologized to all the players that he's coached and think he's an asshole and refuse to play for him? Suter has a history of disrespecting players.

Apologize to huberdeau for what? Trying to help him not have the worst decline in nhl history, for which huberdeau, coward that he is, blamed entirely on Darryl for putting him on his off wing?

 

[Yepthatsme]

Guys this is an absolutely crazy theory, but I’m going to go with it being the brutal shoulder injury and not the joke that was made about him 2 years ago having the largest effect .

Occam’s razor people.

 

[Rubi]

Apologize to huberdeau for what?

I'm not going down this rabbit hole with you. I think Sutter is an asshole. You appear to think he has done nothing wrong. We'll leave it at that. We all have, and are entitled to have, our own opinion.

 

[Kranix]

Guys this is an absolutely crazy theory, but I’m going to go with it being the brutal shoulder injury and not the joke that was made about him 2 years ago having the largest effect .

Occam’s razor people.

No. It was the joke. Pelletier was the next marchand, and Darryl couldn't stand it, and did everything to keep him down. It was the joke, though, that wounded him beyond repair. Ruined his career

 

[Rubi]

Guys this is an absolutely crazy theory, but I’m going to go with it being the brutal shoulder injury and not the joke that was made about him 2 years ago having the largest effect .

Occam’s razor people.

There are probably many reasons. Nothing is ever simply one reason.

 

[Backlund]

Sorry, but his behaviour shouldn’t be tolerated in this day and age regardless of how good he is. That on top of his general refusal to give rope to young guys means he’s an ass and past his best before date.

Hard to say when we don't know what he actually did or said. All we know a few people hated him enough to want to leave.

And who did he refuse to play that actually deserved to play at that time? Zary and Pospisil were sent down by Huska the year after Darryl left and only got called up because of injury. Darryl also kept Zary as one of the last cuts in training camp and said he was close.

 

[Yepthatsme]

There are probably many reasons. Nothing is ever simply one reason.

And one reason is made up by our fan base with no source, is not backed in data, and is sheer conjecture.

He also had a great limited showing in the NHL, and crushed the AHL that same season. Then he was well on his way to making our team before a brutal shoulder injury, after which his point per game dropped wildly even in the AHL. Weird how his play fell off after the shoulder surgery, and not the joke or playing under Sutter…

We get how some people hate how we manage prospects. It’s still not always coaching/managements fault.

 

[Backlund]

Apologize to huberdeau for what? Trying to help him not have the worst decline in nhl history, for which huberdeau, coward that he is, blamed entirely on Darryl for putting him on his off wing?

He's probably talking about this

https://x.com/i/web/status/1586584093445492737

 

[Kranix]

I'm not going down this rabbit hole with you. I think Sutter is an asshole. You appear to think he has done nothing wrong. We'll leave it at that. We all have, and are entitled to have, our own opinion.

No, you just have no idea what happened behind the scenes and now you're backing out.

 

[Rubi]

No, you just have no idea what happened behind the scenes and now you're backing out.

Sutter being an asshole and players not wanting to play for him has been pretty well documented. Look it up on Google.
I'm done with you.

 

[Some Other Flame]

The revisionist history around Dutter is always fascinating. Treliving might be an overrated hack but Dutter has a longstanding history of being a whiny emotionally stunted toxic cancer:

“Darryl and Brent don’t even talk,” said the staffer.

“It’s so dysfunctional. Darryl has been in the league as a respected player, coach and GM forever, and he knows more about the NHL than anyone in the organization. He saved this franchise. But his ego, or lack of social graces or whatever, has reached a point where the people who can help him find him totally unapproachable. That includes Brent. He doesn’t listen. It’s a reign of terror. Everyone is scared of him.”

Darryl and Brent Sutter don't talk, need 'referee'

Eric Francis of the Ottawa Sun has some interesting notes tonight from a Calgary Flames staffer who has come forward to shed some light on the front office situation in Calgary.

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Dutter is a tried old dinosaur incapable of handling the responsibilities of the modern cap era NHL, where you aren't winning shit if you aren't also developing future talent at the same time. Give him a stacked veteran roster and he'll get you results for a year or two. But the moment the cap forces some of those vets to be replaced by rookies/prospects/whatever is the moment Dutter starts freaking out.

 

[Figgy44]

Guys chill...take a step back and have a cookie.

 

[Kranix]

Hard to say when we don't know what he actually did or said. All we know a few people hated him enough to want to leave.

And who did he refuse to play that actually deserved to play at that time? Zary and Pospisil were sent down by Huska the year after Darryl left and only got called up because of injury. Darryl also kept Zary as one of the last cuts in training camp and said he was close.

It's just extreme bias and misapprehension by certain of a fan base that feel they've been denied for years what they perceive is a "youth movement," which they think they've witnessed in every other market, but especially in the recent cup winning teams, sold to them by media in fake storylines of "rebuild" since the Iginla years. This creates in their mind the germ that every prospect drafted by the Flames is sacred. When a coach comes in and does his hockey job, which is simply to evaluate players, teach, and try to win, it doesn't fit the fan and media's agreed upon narrative that a charmed and painless fairytale occur in which a young core all the same age grows up together and wins the cup, a la Crosby, Mackinnon, Toews, etc, and that that can only happen if an arbitrary number of rookies, and I stress, a number that will never, ever be enough, are given an arbitrary, undefined "chance," no matter what. They feel it's the Flames' duty to fashion these players into impact NHLers through the magical grace of more ice time, regardless of the players real ability, and already slim chance of panning out. They feel that whiffing on a draft pick isn't due to scouting, or shear probability, but some organizational incompetence. In Sutter's case, the aforementioned coach must adhere to this law. The asinine part is, Huska and every other coach operate exactly the same way as Sutter. Sutter just didn't sugar coat anything, and saw through the game the media tries to play, so he's labeled an asshole.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

This team has one playoff win in 20 years. No they aren’t the worst run franchise in the league but they are up there.

Kulak, Byron, Bennett, Valimaki, Savard, Giguère, St Louis, Kylington. I’d argue Wolf. Hell we put Pospisil on waivers last year. You know they are going to gift Mantha minutes over Coronato even if he’s dog shit. This team has always had a tendency to favour veterans that really don’t belong in the NHL anymore over promising young players. It’s why they continue to tread water for the 30+ years I’ve followed the team closely.

Sometimes you gotta take a step back to take a leap forward and this organization has never done that. Sutter was part of that problem but this issue really lies all the way at the top with Murray Edwards

 

[joescores]

I will repeat myself- we are so lucky to have Huska, Conny and the rest as our management team. Huska reminds me of Cooper a lot. He is a SC material.