Jake Muzzin scary injury

[leaffaninvancouver]

"Covered all over the place" ... and yet this "possibly not 4 days" stuff stems solely from Chris Johnston.

Logic tells me CJ got it wrong. Well logic and this:

Key questions, answers on protocols in Phases 3, 4 of Return to Play Plan

Can a player leave the secure zone and return?

"A player can leave if he receives permission for medical reasons or there are extenuating circumstances such as the birth of a child, illness or death in their family, or a family event, such as a wedding. When the player returns, he will be required to quarantine in his hotel room until he has received at least four consecutive negative test results over a four-day period."


I can't see them making an exception from their concussion protocol despite what CJ thinks he may have heard.

That’s not the only source. Also Sportsnet was saying the same thing in the post game analysis. Here’s TSN as well.

 

[Strangelove]

That’s not the only source. Also Sportsnet was saying the same thing in the post game analysis. Here’s TSN as well.

Okay, so maybe it will be... more than... 4 days of quarantine. (smile)

Muzzin went to the hospital, that's outside the bubble, he's going to have to quarantine and be tested for 4 days.

That's the only way I can see this playing out.

But I can see you want Muzz to come back quicker than that and anything is possible in 2020, so let's agree to disagree.

We'll know soon enough.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Okay, so maybe it will be... more than... 4 days of quarantine. (smile)

Muzzin went to the hospital, that's outside the bubble, he's going to have to quarantine and be tested for 4 days.

That's the only way I can see this playing out.

But I can see you want Muzz to come back quicker than that and anything is possible in 2020, so let's agree to disagree.

We'll know soon enough.

We can agree to disagree, but I'm providing official sources and media and you're just saying things?

It might not even be considered leaving the bubble.

 

[Strangelove]

We can agree to disagree, but I'm providing official sources and media and you're just saying things?

It might not even be considered leaving the bubble.

I didn't provide an official source?

Of the two of us I'm the only one to provide an official source!

First you give "an official source" that suggests he may be able to leave the bubble and return before the required 4 days.

And now you're providing "an official source" that claims going to the hospital may not be considered leaving the bubble.



Believe what you want to believe my friend...

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

I didn't provide an official source?

Of the two of us I'm the only one to provide an official source!

First you give "an official source" that suggests he may be able to leave the bubble and return before the required 4 days.

And now you're providing "an official source" that claims going to the hospital may not be considered leaving the bubble.



Believe what you want to believe my friend...

You provided the rules for a player voluntary leaving the bubble, not for a player being injured/having to go to a hospital under league/team oversight. They aren't the same thing.

 

[The Macho Man]

Seems premature to talk about the bubble before it's even established the extent of his injury.

 

[broc]

PLDs push didn’t cause the injury.

Um, is thst really what you’re going to call it? That was a hard cross-check from behind.

“Push”... LOL

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Um, is thst really what you’re going to call it? That was a hard cross-check from behind.

“Push”... LOL

Okay, PLD's hard cross check in the back didn't cause the injury.

Better?

 

[kaptaink]

Okay, PLD's hard cross check in the back didn't cause the injury.

Better?

so is the injury reported or you just saying whatever the injury is PLD is not the cause

 

[CBJWerenski8]

so is the injury reported or you just saying whatever the injury is PLD is not the cause

PLD is not the cause of the injury. Muzzin got hurt because he fell into Bjorkstrand's knee. It's a really unfortunate situation, and like I said I hope he can return for Toronto as they progress through the playoffs, but PLD didn't injure Muzzin.

 

[BayStBullies]

When he fell face first, there was a chance he makes contact with the skate in front of him. It's scary that these guys are cruising around at top speed with knives under their shoes.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

PLD is not the cause of the injury. Muzzin got hurt because he fell into Bjorkstrand's knee. It's a really unfortunate situation, and like I said I hope he can return for Toronto as they progress through the playoffs, but PLD didn't injure Muzzin.

Of course it caused the injury. If I trip you it’s not the pavement that caused the injury.

It wasn’t intentional apart from being a cross check, it wasn’t malicious but it’s still what caused the injury.

 

[jetsforever]

Sucks to see him go to the hospital, hopefully everything's okay

 

[LeafsNation75]

PLDs push didn’t cause the injury.

So your saying him cross checking Muzzin from behind into the numbers causing him to fall had nothing to do with his injury?

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Of course it caused the injury. If I trip you it’s not the pavement that caused the injury.

It wasn’t intentional apart from being a cross check, it wasn’t malicious but it’s still what caused the injury.

I could be wrong, but I thought Muzzin got injured when he fell into Bjorkstrand's leg. PLD cross checks him (in the back, hard.) he slides into the boards at a fast speed, but shows no signs of distress as he hits hip first into the boards and continues sliding, he tries to get up and loses his balance in his wrists (as he's using his hands to brace himself) and falls forward right into the side of Bjorkstrand's knee, which buckles Bjorkstrand, sending them both to the ground.

If Muzzin got hurt on the cross check, then fair enough. PLD injured him and should look to get suspended.

I think Muzzin got hurt falling into Bjorkstrand's knee when he was trying to get up.

A better example would be, if you tripped me and I fell onto the pavement. I try to get up, and while I am getting up, the guy behind us runs over my hand with his bike and breaks it. Did you break my hand? No.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

So your saying him cross checking Muzzin from behind into the numbers causing him to fall had nothing to do with his injury?

Correct. I believe the injury was caused by Muzzin falling into Bjorkstrand's knee when he was trying to get up from getting cross checked from behind in the numbers. Yeah, PLD put him on the ice, but he didn't injure him.

 

[Mach85]

Correct. I believe the injury was caused by Muzzin falling into Bjorkstrand's knee when he was trying to get up from getting cross checked from behind in the numbers. Yeah, PLD put him on the ice, but he didn't injure him.

That's like saying if I push you into the street and you get hit by a car I didn't cause it. Come on man, take a step back and be objective here.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

That's like saying if I push you into the street and you get hit by a car I didn't cause it. Come on man, take a step back and be objective here.

If there's one thing I am, it's objective. I already gave a more appropriate example in the post above.

No, its not the same as if you push me onto the street. Why? Because you know on the street there is cars. You are literally trying to hurt me. PLD didn't push Muzzin into the posts, the net, or at an angle that was dangerous. Yes, he cross checked him in the back. Yes, its a penalty. Did PLD do it because he knew Muzzin was going to lose his balance while sliding to get up and fall into Oliver Bjorkstrand's knee? Come on.

 

[Mr Positive]

Hopefully he's okay.

Secondary, I think it is possible to stay in the bubble while leaving it physically. Just have an entourage of sanitation people with him at all times, like a travelling bubble. But that has to be careful. The whole playoffs would be at risk if they aren't careful

 

[Mr Positive]

If there's one thing I am, it's objective. I already gave a more appropriate example in the post above.

No, its not the same as if you push me onto the street. Why? Because you know on the street there is cars. You are literally trying to hurt me. PLD didn't push Muzzin into the posts, the net, or at an angle that was dangerous. Yes, he cross checked him in the back. Yes, its a penalty. Did PLD do it because he knew Muzzin was going to lose his balance while sliding to get up and fall into Oliver Bjorkstrand's knee? Come on.

I think the league will take this stance. If you do that in such a way that you should expect that the player's head will fly into the boards, that should be suspended. But he hit him into a low glide that ended up into another player's knee. There's a degree of separation there.

But, the league is notorious for suspending based on injury moreso than how dangerous the act was. We'll see

 

[Sol]

Muzzins never sold anything as a king. If he stayed down like that it's for a reason

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

I think the league will take this stance. If you do that in such a way that you should expect that the player's head will fly into the boards, that should be suspended. But he hit him into a low glide that ended up into another player's knee. There's a degree of separation there.

But, the league is notorious for suspending based on injury moreso than how dangerous the act was. We'll see

It really reminds me of the SJ-Vegas major penalty disaster where the league shit its pants. The injury wasn't directly caused by the actions of the offending player and as such is not worthy of a major. It doesn't make it less of a minor or less unfortunate.

 

[StupidGenius]

PLD is not the cause of the injury. Muzzin got hurt because he fell into Bjorkstrand's knee. It's a really unfortunate situation, and like I said I hope he can return for Toronto as they progress through the playoffs, but PLD didn't injure Muzzin.

"Look to where you slipped, not to where you fell".

 

[Mach85]

If there's one thing I am, it's objective. I already gave a more appropriate example in the post above.

No, its not the same as if you push me onto the street. Why? Because you know on the street there is cars. You are literally trying to hurt me. PLD didn't push Muzzin into the posts, the net, or at an angle that was dangerous. Yes, he cross checked him in the back. Yes, its a penalty. Did PLD do it because he knew Muzzin was going to lose his balance while sliding to get up and fall into Oliver Bjorkstrand's knee? Come on.

Yes there are cars driving fast with momentum and in this case there are guys with blades for shoes skating fast with momentum - that's the point of the example lol. Bjorkstrand's knee technically hurt him but it's because of PLD. If he'd instead fallen hard into the boards you wouldn't say the boards did it, you'd say PLD did it. It's a playoff game with intensity and I don't think many people think PLD meant to hurt him, but this outcome was very much within the realm of possibility. We can say it was unintentional but let's not lose complete grasp of reality and say PLD didn't do it.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Muzzins never sold anything as a king. If he stayed down like that it's for a reason

Agreed, guy is a warrior.