Player Discussion Jake Evans (Part II)

[Team_Spirit]

The Ducks solved this for us keep his current salary and add a couple millions in 10 years. Cheat code enabled.

 

[HuGort]

Evans playing like a #2 center last month

 

[vokiel]

Evans playing like a #2 center last month

So do you think he's worth equal or more than 18 million over 3 years? (Vatrano)

... or his deferred ~4.6 average.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

So do you think he's worth equal or more than 18 million over 3 years? (Vatrano)

... or his deferred ~4.6 average.

Evans north 3m is already too much. He was legit a 4th line center earlier this season. He's shooting at high percentage.

 

[JianYang]

Evans north 3m is already too much. He was legit a 4th line center earlier this season. He's shooting at high percentage.

He will get 3 mil easily the way he's going. There's so much more to his game that doesn't show up on the stat sheet and you don't have to look far for an example.

Look at the play he made leading to the tying goal in Colorado. Just a fantastic play to create the turnover in transition. That doesn't show up in the basic stats except for plus/minus.

 

[HuGort]

So do you think he's worth equal or more than 18 million over 3 years? (Vatrano)

... or his deferred ~4.6 average.

Around 4 I figure Evans gets. If he test UFA. Less if he doesn't. Be alot of money thrown around this summer. Cap going way up, he's having good season.

 

[vokiel]

Around 4 I figure Evans gets. If he test UFA. Less if he doesn't. Be alot of money thrown around this summer. Cap going way up, he's having good season.

Vatrano's contract is interesting because they're both performing at roughly the same pace. It's also a hint of what GMs are going to be ready to invest come July 1st. If we don't offer a 5 per 6 imho, he walks.

 

[LaP]

Vatrano's contract is interesting because they're both performing at roughly the same pace. It's also a hint of what GMs are going to be ready to invest come July 1st. If we don't offer a 5 per 6 imho, he walks.

If KH is bright he'll reap the rewards at the TDL. No way i would be getting anywhere near this kind of contract not with a guy who will be 29 next season and never did 30 points before this year,

 

[Habs Halifax]

Evans north 3m is already too much. He was legit a 4th line center earlier this season. He's shooting at high percentage.

A center in his prime and trending well. Great ability to play the center position very well (faceoffs, forecheck, 200' game) and has a good shot. He's getting more than $3M in this growing cap bud.

5x $4M is a good landing spot IMO. Would another team offer more? Maybe but won't be much more

 

[LaP]

A center in his prime and trending well. Great ability to play the center position very well (faceoffs, forecheck, 200' game) and has a good shot. He's getting more than $3M in this growing cap bud.

5x $4M is a good landing spot IMO. Would another team offer more? Maybe but won't be much more

Evans will be 29 next season his prime is almost done. Like for Gallagher i think fans are foolish thinking all players can be Jagr. It's very likely Evans will start slowing done at 30-31.

 

[JianYang]

If KH is bright he'll reap the rewards at the TDL. No way i would be getting anywhere near this kind of contract not with a guy who will be 29 next season and never did 30 points before this year,

It's a tough position. Evans has carved himself a crucial role on this team. His loss will be felt because Beck won't be the player Evans is right now coming out of the gate.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Evans will be 29 next season his prime is almost done.

I don't agree. I think his prime is later than others. Players like this have great seasons from age 27-32/33 range. The next 4 or 5 years will be very good value IMO. As long as it's not $5M+ AAV.

Lehkonen is 29 and I see Evans similar. Lehkonen is still in the heat of his prime for a few years yet. I see Evans following a similar curve

 

[LaP]

It's a tough position. Evans has carved himself a crucial role on this team. His loss will be felt because Beck won't be the player Evans is right now coming out of the gate.

There's a very high probability Evans wont be either when he'll be 31. I mean we have been there and we have done that. We have seen this story unfold so many times. A depth player at the end of his 20ies comes out of nowhere to have a great season he gets paid and 2 years later his contract is bad. We have seen this story time and time again. I like Evans but i would not be the one giving him 5 years at 4+ millions.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It's a tough position. Evans has carved himself a crucial role on this team. His loss will be felt because Beck won't be the player Evans is right now coming out of the gate.

You hit the nail on the head because there is a gap between Evans and when Beck, Kapanen, Hage will be ready center on a team chasing the playoffs.

If we can't upgrade Dach for a better 2C, we should extend Evans and both Kapanen and Beck can play wing or 4C as they mature develop. Just like Evans did.

There's a very high probability Evans wont be either when he'll be 31. I mean we have been there and we have done that. We have seen this story unfold so many times. A depth player at the end of his 20ies comes out of nowhere to have a great season he gets paid and 2 years later his contract is bad. We have seen this story time and time again. I like Evans but i would not be the one giving him 5 years at 4+ millions.

I disagree in Evans case. Book mark it. I think he's going to have a very good 4 or 5 more seasons. My critical point with him is at age 33/34.

 

[ReHabs]

I would not risk giving him a Vatrano contract, with or without the deferred AAV.

(he's on pace for 48pts)

The team that will give him a 4m cap hit will be quite a big risk.

 

[LaP]

I don't agree. I think his prime is later than others. Players like this have great seasons from age 27-32/33 range. The next 4 or 5 years will be very good value IMO. As long as it's not $5M+ AAV.

Lehkonen is 29 and I see Evans similar. Lehkonen is still in the heat of his prime for a few years yet. I see Evans following a similar curve

I said the same about Byron and people disagreed and i was right. Players like Evans very very very rarely remain in their "prime" until their mid 30ies. It's unusual. Most of them slow down in the early 30ies even the ones who late bloom. Danault is 31 and is showing sign of regression this year.

 

[JianYang]

There's a very high probability Evans wont be either when he'll be 31. I mean we have been there and we have done that. We have seen this story unfold so many times. A depth player at the end of his 20ies comes out of nowhere to have a great season he gets paid and 2 years later his contract is bad. We have seen this story time and time again. I like Evans but i would not be the one giving him 5 years at 4+ millions.

When his game falls is a risk, but I think he's also a good bridge for the young guys coming, and I'm not comfortable not having a bridge in place particularly at a position like center.

This is why I'm torn on the Evans situation.

 

[LaP]

When his game falls is a risk, but I think he's also a good bridge for the young guys coming, and I'm not comfortable not having a bridge in place particularly at a position like center.

This is why I'm torn on the Evans situation.

Personally i'm not. If he wants too much you let him go for a 1st at the TDL and you replace him next summer. Replacing David Savard was not too hard. People always fall in love too much with players like Evans. They are usually not too hard to find providing you are willing to pay. I'd rather trade a Roy or Mesar prospect to replace Evans with another Evans paid 3ish millions for the next 2-3 years than gatting involved in another very long contract to a depth player just when we are finally starting to be getting off the hook with those contracts. Like for Byron i'm calling it now this contract will stink at least 2 years before the end.

 

[JianYang]

Personally i'm not. If he wants too much you let him go for a 1st at the TDL and you replace him next summer. Replacing David Savard was not too hard. People always fall in love too much with players like Evans. They are usually not too hard to find providing you are willing to pay. I'd rather trade a Roy or Mesar prospect to replace Evans with another Evans paid 3ish millions for the next 2-3 years than gatting involved in another very long contract to a depth player just when we are finally starting to be getting off the hook with those contracts. Like for Byron i'm calling it now this contract will stink at least 2 years before the end.

There's the catch 22. As you mentioned, you have to be willing to pay for it, and the decent options usually aren't available or will have their own premium because it's a role of importance.... not sure a roy or mesar would get it done.

I acknowledge the risk of injuries derailing him the same way it derailed a guy like byron.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I said the same about Byron and people disagreed and i was right. Players like Evans very very very rarely remain in their "prime" until their mid 30ies. It's unusual. Most of them slow down in the early 30ies even the ones who late bloom. Danault is 31 and is showing sign of regression this year.

Byron had his prime earlier. That's my point. Evans prime starts later. There are lots of player who fall at 30+ but then there are lots of players who are meh from 20-26 and start their prime later. Evans is one of them IMO.

 

[vokiel]

Funny because I'd take Anderson's deal and give it to Evans right away, and I would expect a much better return on investment. On the other hand if Anderson was at 1.7 million average, I don't think much of us would complain about him being consistently crap. If this fantasy existed, there wouldn't be any cap increase and Anderson would come off the books as planned.

There are also roles here. Playing center adds face-offs, it adds a lot of ice to cover, it adds a much bigger demand than a winger. So even if Evans ends up on a downward bad contract, I'd think it would still be a lot more manageable than the same deal given to Anderson.

 

[LaP]

Byron had his prime earlier. That's my point. Evans prime starts later. There are lots of player who fall at 30+ but then there are lots of players who are meh from 20-26 and start their prime later. Evans is one of them IMO.

There's one year of difference. Byron's best season was at 27 while Evans is 28 this year.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

He will get 3 mil easily the way he's going. There's so much more to his game that doesn't show up on the stat sheet and you don't have to look far for an example.

Look at the play he made leading to the tying goal in Colorado. Just a fantastic play to create the turnover in transition. That doesn't show up in the basic stats except for plus/minus.

This is a great play but you think Evans can keep doing doing that? Idk giving that much for a 4th line center is alot

 

[Habs Halifax]

There's one year of difference. Byron's best season was at 27 while Evans is 28 this year.

Byron had a lot of milage before that age. You're overlooking the context. Evans prime is later and his usage is not the same as Byron. Byron is also a smaller type player and these types do fade in 30+ years when their skating declines a bit.

Evans has size and plays the center position very well. His milage up to this point is not high. He's going to be an effective player from age 28-32/33 range. Bookmark it.

 

[DAChampion]

If they trade Evans, they'll just end up searching for another Evans.

Beck, Kappanen, and Hage say hello.