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Player Discussion Jake Evans (Part II)

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The Great Weal said:
Evans is not gonna score 40 points. He's likely gonna get mid 20s.
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We don't know how many points Evans can score with a regular shift with offensive wingers.

Many said Danault would never score 40 points before he started playing with offensive players. He got 53 with Rads and Pacioretty and was on pace for 54 with Tatar and Gallagher the next year.

Evans is penciled in to start with Hoffman and Gallagher.

Plus I could see him getting on the PP on the halfwall of the 2nd unit at some point. He has pretty good hands, vision and shot. He will battle with Armia, Anderson, Perreault for the final spot on the 2nd unit. Maybe one of those guys also supplants Gallagher.

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26Mats said:
We don't know how many points Evans can score with a regular shift with offensive wingers.

Many said Danault would never score 40 points before he started playing with offensive players. He got 53 with Rads and Pacioretty and was on pace for 54 with Tatar and Gallagher the next year.

Evans is penciled in to start with Hoffman and Gallagher.

Plus I could see him getting on the PP on the halfwall of the 2nd unit at some point. He has pretty good hands, vision and shot. He will battle with Armia, Anderson, Perreault for the final spot on the 2nd unit. Maybe one of those guys also supplants Gallagher.

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Drouin Hoffman Armia/Perreault/Anderson/Evans
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Danault had 40 points when he was 23. Evans has 16 NHL points and he's 25. Danault automatically became the teams best center whereas Evans is far from it.

I would be shocked if he got 40 points.
 
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The Great Weal said:
Danault had 40 points when he was 23. Evans has 16 NHL points and he's 25. Danault automatically became the teams best center whereas Evans is far from it.

I would be shocked if he got 40 points.
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Yes, Evans is Evans and Danault is Danault. Note that Danault at 23 years old got those 40 points you speak of playing with Pacioretty and Radulov. The year before that he had 5 poitns in 21 games. And he became our 1c when we didn't have Suzuki and Dvorak. We had washed up Plekanec, winger Galchenyuk, Torrey Mitchell, and Brian Flynn as alternative options. He'd be our 3c now, at the age of 28.

What late bloomer Evans will do this year is both very interesting and very important to team success. While it's great we have depth on the wings, we don't have elite superstars. Having all 3 or 4 lines produce will be crucial. So Evans is crucial as the pivot of one of the top 3 lines that is expected to produce. We'll see how this experiment goes...
 
26Mats said:
Yes, Evans is Evans and Danault is Danault.

What late bloomer Evans will do this year is both very interesting and very important to team success. While it's great we have depth on the wings, we don't have elite superstars. Having all 3 or 4 lines produce will be crucial. So Evans is crucial as the pivot of one of the top 3 lines that is expected to produce. We'll see how this experiment goes...
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He doesn't have the offensive abilities to put up 40 points in my opinion. He will likely be a 20-25 point center who is good defensively. Still a solid player, but 40 points is incredibly optimistic.
 
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The Great Weal said:
Evans is not gonna score 40 points. He's likely gonna get mid 20s.
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I would tend to agree since he’s not going to get PP time. BUT he’s gonna benefit from playing with Gally who has the 2nd best 5v5 goal scoring rate in the last 3 years behind only Austin Matthews.

Gally is also far and away first in individual expected goal and corsi for per 60 minutes. Anyone who plays with Gally benefits.
 
The Great Weal said:
He doesn't have the offensive abilities to put up 40 points in my opinion. He will likely be a 20-25 point center who is good defensively. Still a solid player, but 40 points is incredibly optimistic.
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yeah, we'll see. I'm in all honesty not sure what he'll be able to produce with good linemates on a regular shift. I just don't know.

Note that Danault at 23 years old got those 40 points you speak of playing with Pacioretty and Radulov. The year before that he had 5 poitns in 21 games. And he became our 1c when we didn't have Suzuki and Dvorak. We had washed up Plekanec, winger Galchenyuk, Torrey Mitchell, and Brian Flynn as alternative options. He'd be our 3c now, at the age of 28.
 
26Mats said:
yeah, we'll see. I'm in all honesty not sure what he'll be able to produce with good linemates on a regular shift. I just don't know.

Note that Danault at 23 years old got those 40 points you speak of playing with Pacioretty and Radulov. The year before that he had 5 poitns in 21 games. And he became our 1c when we didn't have Suzuki and Dvorak. We had washed up Plekanec, winger Galchenyuk, Torrey Mitchell, and Brian Flynn as alternative options. He'd be our 3c now, at the age of 28.
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Yes and he was the 1C whereas Evans isn't and is a lot older.
 
Sorry, maybe this has already been mentioned (too lazy to look it up), but how many concussions has he already had?
 
Evans will surprise many posters here, I can see him getting between 30 and 40 this year. He is as good as anyone to side step opponents on neutral ice, his shoulder fake works almost everytime. He's really amazing at it one you start paying attention. I don't compare him in any other aspect of the game... but sometimes he kinda look like Brayden Point doing so. This will come in handy for the third line transition since Gallagher can't carry the puck while Hoffman ghost around.
 
The Great Weal said:
Yes and he was the 1C whereas Evans isn't and is a lot older.
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I don't see Evans being as good as Danault all around. But offensively, while a very different player, Evans may be able to put up points.

Danault was faster and covered the 200 foot ice surface effortless, yet put in maximum effort, so it made him remarkable in that domain. A lot of his points came off of skating the puck out of the zone or all the way up the ice in transition, or creating turnovers, and then dishing to his linemates. He earned his points, not by offensive flair, but by those aspects I just mentioned - plus being solid fundamentally.

Evans won't do that as well. But he has a lot of tools: very good shot, very good skater now, very good vision - nothing elite, but a lot of good things. They say you have to do one thing excellently to earn your spot in the NHL. Well Evans does a lot very well. And that package may complement skilled offensive players. We've never seen him play with high caliber offensive players game in, game out.

I remember Alain Vigueault criticizing Darcy Tucker when he was trying to make the team. He said, he's not big enough to fight or intimidate with hits. He's just not skilled enough to be a point producer. So what is he? He's got to up his game to become something. We traded him shortly afterwards and he went on to have a very good career at being good, not elite, but good offensively and as a disturber/energy forward. This year we'll certainly see what Evans is either way.
 
It was said Evans slimmed down this past offseason.

I noticed him looking faster out there. But I also noticed him getting pushed around a lot. I hope he can avoid injuries - and use his speed to produce offensively.

He's got to be more aware of when hits are coming and be ready to make a play and simultaneously protect himself or he won't last long in this league.
 
I want to be wrong very badly, but I just don't see Evans as a 3c. The offensive ability just isn't there.

He has a great wheels, and a fantastic motor. Will that be enough to generate some offense? I don't see it.

The other question is if there is an injury to Dvorak or Suzuki, will he be able to slot it? Again, I don't see it.

Danault wasn't an offensive star, but he had a decent set of hands and good IQ. He had some pretty decent vision passing wise and was able to create space on the ice, even if he didn't always use it effectively.

Evans seems like a very straight line player. He'll occassionally find himself with some space using footspeed to loose pucks, but I don't see him create space with nifty manoeuvring, faking plays, or finding open ice with passes.

I think he's a great 4c for his age though.
 
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Andy said:
I want to be wrong very badly, but I just don't see Evans as a 3c. The offensive ability just isn't there.

He has a great wheels, and a fantastic motor. Will that be enough to generate some offense? I don't see it.

The other question is if there is an injury to Dvorak or Suzuki, will he be able to slot it? Again, I don't see it.

Danault wasn't an offensive star, but he had a decent set of hands and good IQ. He had some pretty decent vision passing wise and was able to create space on the ice, even if he didn't always use it effectively.

Evans seems like a very straight line player. He'll occassionally find himself with some space using footspeed to loose pucks, but I don't see him create space with nifty manoeuvring, faking plays, or finding open ice with passes.

I think he's a great 4c for his age though.
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He's not a 3 c and it's evident
 
Vachon23 said:
He's not a 3 c and it's evident
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Not yet but I think he has what it takes to become one. He only has ~60 NHL games under his belt, he has room to grow. He's never stopped improving since his draft day so I think it's fair to think he hasn't plateaued yet.
 
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Vachon23 said:
He's not a 3 c and it's evident
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Let's not re-sign our elite shutdown C and replace him with someone that is totally unproven, could do the job, maybe won't be able to - for shits and giggles. If we suck this year, we suck.

Great planning.
 
Horrible hockey IQ without the puck. He has the worst PK numbers on the team(last two seasons). No, not anywhere near top9 material.
 
1909 said:
of course, Evans is a 4th line player that can help once in a while elsewhere on a wing it at center. Nothing more than that. Wow, I am missing Byron, suddenly.
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I think Evans can be a full time top 9 winger on a solid two-way line. I really liked the Evans-Danault-Gallagher line and think it could be legit for a full season. Another bonus is he can play center when there are injuries.

Too bad we didn't re-sign Danault so Evans could be in that role that was great for him.

Hope he can get his game to another level though, somehow.
 
Being dragged down by the guy on his LW who thinks he needs to play hero hockey and keep the puck to himself the entire shift.
 
HabsWhiteKnightLOL said:
Drouin at this point or even Brooks
Evans can't play 3rd line minutes
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I said it last year, he's best as a top 9 winger who can fill in at C when there are injuries.

And he can be a 4c.

I see people automatically assume that if a center has limited offensive upside, they can automatically be Phil Danault or Lars Eller. Those are two players that are very good at what they do. Not everybody with limited offensive upside (like Poehling, Evans) can just be like those two. Danault is an elite shutdown center - perhaps the best in the game.
 
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