Vachon23
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Yep that C line depth scares me a lot
Player Discussion Jake Evans (Part II)
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Catanddogguitarrr
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Okay but to have a more appropriate example it would be you are in charge to buy 21 houses with a budget of 80 millions. You have business partners and not a wife. Some houses needs love care they can take great value within 5 years, some houses might not take great value over time but they are low maintenance, and you need some of those houses because your company doesn't have a great team to handle houses that need to fixed. So it's 5 hundred thousand on a 80 million range.
But your example was pretty good, that was some good argument and I like to discuss about houses and real estate investments. I discovered recently that my house is worth 150,000$ more than I was thinking not so long ago. The pandemic made house's price go crazy, just crazy.To discuss about house's price is the perfect timing cuz I talk about that since the last 2 weeks.
Catanddogguitarrr
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Habs are strong in the wings but the center line is weak. It's not like KK and Poehl are 27 yrs old and Evans have a solid 3 years experience at center. So yep, the center line scares me a lot too.
Catanddogguitarrr
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Catanddogguitarrr
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Phil was underpaid at 3M.
Today Gallagher is very overpaid at 6,5M not slightly overpaid.
As for Evans, he is smaller than Danault and he had head concussions. Danault at the same age had no concussions.
"Kids down the middle is a gamble", this is the light of your post, a spark of lucidity. 100% agree on this.
Phil was a playoff team player in the last playoff run of 2021. He did shut down centers he faced on 3 teams. He had the most icetime of the Habs centers in that PO run (or equal with Suzuki).
Theodore450
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Catanddogguitarrr
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Phil and Pleks didn't have head concussion history at the age of 25.
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Vachon23
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We acquired Staal at the TDL because we where not convince with Evans as a 4th line C, Imagine as 3rd line C for total season with KK as #2
BLONG7
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You lost your credibility with your opening line....5 goals....3M.....gotta do better than that with all that TOI and his steady wingers, of Gally and Tatar.
Let's call this a agree to disagree....our guys will be fine.
And the Kings will be with Phil....remember, he wanted out...
The Great Weal
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People forget this so easily. I would actually feel more comfortable with Poehling as the 3C than Evans.
Catanddogguitarrr
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The Montreal fanbase lost their credibily for saying what you say. All the hockey fans eyes saw what Danault did with Matthews, Connors and co in that PO run, there was nhl gms who were willing to pay what Phil wanted, they are nhl gm, you are not a person working for a nhl team and this is your opinion, the choice is so tough, ... nhl gm or you, lol.
Btw, LA Kings fans are happy with Phil. Have a nice day!
a few things...
who was the C on the Bolts "like Danault" last two years? Cirelli... Gourde... maybe one slots Johnson in there?
Blues? Bozak...
Caps? Eller...
last 4 cup winners had more productive and/or cheaper (than the long-term 5.5M extension Danault needed to re-up) players in their 3C role.
So yeah, certainly agree that every team wants to have a C like Danault going into the playoffs. His value on-ice is certainly clear.
The question, though, isn't one of simple value, it's value relative to cap hit and relative to roster construction.
For the habs, with the roster/cap situation that MB has built, there was no way to justify adding a talented but limited C like Danault @ more than 4-4.5M... it just wouldn't have made sense. Danault is better than any of those players listed defensively, i'd agree... and i'd even agree that his production at least with the Bolts would've been higher given their overall team offensive talent.
At 3M, he was an absolute steal this year.
At 5.5M? a very expensive commodity that, for a team already flirting with the cap ceiling (minus the Weber/Byron LTIR revelations), wouldn't make sense given the other holes in the roster.
That MB hasn't addressed any of our major roster holes (top-6 C & top-3 PMD), while yet again fielding a cap spent roster, speaks to his poor roster building approach... but that's a separate issue.
The decision not to pay the market premium for Danault, given the situation, was a good one imo. Which doesn't preclude the reality that, as is, our C group has likely taken a bit of a step back unless JKO takes huge strides and, like Suzuki did last year, vaults into a quality top-6C impact level. Evans, Perreault or Paquette surprising and playing at high- quality 3C level could also buffer the loss, but would still require JKO to be giving us solid 2C minutes.
cap-wise... MB is putting his money on Gallagher, Drouin, Hoffman, Anderson, Toffoli, Armia to deliver and really to lead the forward group... 30M$ for 6 wingers is a big investment, especially without at least 1 clear cut all-star/top-tier in the group... Bolts spend the same amount on their top-6 wingers, which includes (Kuch/Stamkos)... Avs spend 26M$ (Mackinnon, Landeskog)... Knights... Panthers... Caps... go down the list of teams with top fwd groups, and we match or outspend most of them, yet they all have 1-2 elite guys + 2-3 guys just as good as any of our top wingers.
That's why there was no chance it made sense for us to pay Danault what he got.
Kudo Shinichi
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Every team acquire depth at the trade deadline. Doesnt really have to do with not trusting Evans. They clearly trusted him a lot in the playoffs.
Also the Evans pre-Staal aquisition and the Evans post-Staal was very different. Before getting Staal, Evans was struggling. After being scratched for Staal and getting back in the lineup, he started playing his best nhl hockey.
Sorinth
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Lineups like this make me wonder whether people want Gallagher to fail. Unless he hasn't/won't recover from his injuries Gallagher is one of our best wingers, it's non-sensical to play him on the 3rd line, doubly so to play him with guys who can't really produce much on their own. Also not sure what Drouin is doing on the 4th line, the only way he works is if he can produce enough offence to make up for the densive lapses and he's got no chance to produce on the 4th line, either play him with other offensive capable players or don't play him at all.
Sorinth
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Yeah I think the year Koivu was diagnosed with cancer (Right before training camp) I think we started the season with something like Yannick Perreault as our #1 center, an almost 40 year old Doug Gilmour and soon to be retired Joe Juneau.
Honestly our center depth this year isn't all that bad in comparison. There are question marks because everyone is young, but at the same time I could see this being the deepest we've been in decades if the young players answer those questions with solid development growth.
Catanddogguitarrr
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You know they’re not going to make the playoffs for the next 3 years?
interesting
The Montreal fanbase lost their credibily for saying what you say. All the hockey fans eyes saw what Danault did with Matthews, Connors and co in that PO run, there was nhl gms who were willing to pay what Phil wanted, they are nhl gm, you are not a person working for a nhl team and this is your opinion, the choice is so tough, ... nhl gm or you, lol.
Btw, LA Kings fans are happy with Phil. Have a nice day!
Well, I agree he deserved a raise but to pay a player out of defensive abilities of one PO run? GM knows more than us that’s true but most of them throw money at players that don’t deserve it. Not saying Danault is not worth his contract, I personnally will never pay a defensive center more than 5M but that’s me and Im sure there is a lot of GM not willing to do as well. For the points of shutting down others centers, I agree but again you need to show some offensive abilities, you can’t just won faceoffs and play defensive on a 82 games schedule. He was the worst offensive player of the team last year, that is where it bothers me.
BLONG7
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You might have Phil confused with Price!! Remembering the game where Matthews had 8-9 shots, and the leafs out shot us 13-1 in OT, and KK went down and won the game for us....Matthews dominated in that game.The Montreal fanbase lost their credibily for saying what you say. All the hockey fans eyes saw what Danault did with Matthews, Connors and co in that PO run, there was nhl gms who were willing to pay what Phil wanted, they are nhl gm, you are not a person working for a nhl team and this is your opinion, the choice is so tough, ... nhl gm or you, lol.
Btw, LA Kings fans are happy with Phil. Have a nice day!
Relax man.....you will have to come to grips that Phil wanted out....remember he is the one, who dumped us.
We will see ya over on the Kings board
Habs Halifax
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I think both Gallagher and Danault were underpaid in their previous contracts but Gallagher more due to term and his 30 goal seasons. Danault in his last 3 years at $3.08M was underpaid. Gallagher at $3.75M for 6 years was underpaid more yes.
I personally would rather Danault in the overpayment department cause I think a winger is easier to replace than a center. And I'm a big fan of Gallagher too! We will see if Evans can fill the shutdown role and we can maintain a top 10 team D. Taking Danault out of the picture has caused more issues than if we still had him and Gallagher was gone. Basically, Bergevin decided to make Gallagher happy and play hard ball on Danault. We will see how that unfolds in the coming years.
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Habs Halifax
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Scares me to cause of inexperience. We will see how they do with increased roles. That's all we can hope for unless we make a trade.
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