Rush5Collapse5 said:Tucker316 -
12 of 15 GM's in a similar poll for THN, say Forsberg no question.
Rush5Collapse5 said:um..
Jagr is a winger that scores goals...
Forsberg is a dominant two way center that controls the puck at will, at both ends of the ice, and plays 110% in the playoffs.
Not really much to debate.
Forsberg.. by far.
Rush5Collapse5 said:Tucker316 -
12 of 15 GM's in a similar poll for THN, say Forsberg no question.
Rush5Collapse5 said:Since everyone seems to have missed my last post on this issue, here it is again:
I've seen Jagr's heydey highlight reels, It's all offense. Great moves and great goals he celebrated by playing his hockey stick like a guitar, or rode like a motorcycle whilst his mullet blew in the breeze. I'm not as impressed as when I watch the 2 way play of Forsberg.
Foppa's ability to impose his will by either bull rushing someone over, or dangling between them like they were fastened pylons stand out more to me. I've literally seen Forsberg thwart several 2 on 1's by either stealing the puck with his stick or punking someone and taking it and then lead a rush the other way hotdogging his way between would-be defenders to make a breathtaking hairline pass through traffic for a goal. I've never seen anyone do that with such regularity in my life, not just a flashy offensive player, but a true dominant all around player at both ends.
Foppa early in his career (when the Nordiques first moved to Colorado) used to play keep away from multiple players with a dazzling display of puckhandling that literally seemed impossible, so much so, one of the four defenders he was beating over and over all by himself in the neutral zone, threw up his hands in disgust (true story). I can imagine people warned him after that to not embarrass people like that. This was from a guy that backcheckers "bounce off of" that delivers bone crushing checks and
sets up sure goals after his perpetual state of hypnotherapy on the PP breaks ankles. Forsberg is very much the Art Ross, Hart, and Selke all in one. It's no wonder 12 of 15 GM's picked him over Jagr in that poll of which forward they would choose to build their team around..
Tucker316 said:You've posted this like 3 times. Jagr is still better.
Rush5Collapse5 said:Since everyone seems to have missed my last post on this issue, here it is again:
I've seen Jagr's heydey highlight reels, It's all offense. Great moves and great goals he celebrated by playing his hockey stick like a guitar, or rode like a motorcycle whilst his mullet blew in the breeze. I'm not as impressed as when I watch the 2 way play of Forsberg.
Foppa's ability to impose his will by either bull rushing someone over, or dangling between them like they were fastened pylons stand out more to me. I've literally seen Forsberg thwart several 2 on 1's by either stealing the puck with his stick or punking someone and taking it and then lead a rush the other way hotdogging his way between would-be defenders to make a breathtaking hairline pass through traffic for a goal. I've never seen anyone do that with such regularity in my life, not just a flashy offensive player, but a true dominant all around player at both ends.
Foppa early in his career (when the Nordiques first moved to Colorado) used to play keep away from multiple players with a dazzling display of puckhandling that literally seemed impossible, so much so, one of the four defenders he was beating over and over all by himself in the neutral zone, threw up his hands in disgust (true story). I can imagine people warned him after that to not embarrass people like that. This was from a guy that backcheckers "bounce off of" that delivers bone crushing checks and
sets up sure goals after his perpetual state of hypnotherapy on the PP breaks ankles. Forsberg is very much the Art Ross, Hart, and Selke all in one. It's no wonder 12 of 15 GM's picked him over Jagr in that poll of which forward they would choose to build their team around..
Well if we're going to talk about passing the torch, then Mario passed it to Lindros right before his first retirement when the Flyers ousted the Pens in the playoffs and Mario had a nice talk with Eric.Tucker316 said:Mario Lemieux says: Jaromir Jagr, no question.
When Gretzky played his last game, Gretzky said: Jagr, no question. He said he passes the torch to the best player in the league, and Forsberg wasnt the man.
Because he's that damn good!Dark Metamorphosis said:forsberg's been on a cup contender his entire career.
That's a hilariously funny and yet ridiculous comment considering that both players post very comparable PPG's (Jagr has 1359 in 1060, Forsberg has 783 in 603). Jagr clearly has the heavier shot and uses it more, thus resulting in more goals per game. Forsberg is the better passer, with the better vision, resulting in more assists per game. The biggest thing Jagr has going for him in this debate is durability. The biggest things Forsberg has going for him is physical play, two way play, and the ability to step it up a notch or two in big games consistently.arrbez said:I actually saw, and replied to this the first time. Repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make it right.
In fact, I think it's one of the worst angles you could take here, since anyone who actually saw them play could tell you that Jagr was BY FAR the superior offensive player. I mean, that's not even in question.
Hopefully you too will have a pleasant day.
BTW, I heard a romour (I'm not sure where) that 12 of 15 GM's like Forsberg better. I've been told you're the man to talk to regarding this matter. Can you confirm?
arrbez said:Tells me those GM's are foolish. I wouldn't build around a 32 year old who spends half his life on injured reserve. I'm not stating this as a case for Jagr, but it would be nuts IMO to pick Forsberg over younger, healthier players to build a team around. 15 of 15 GM's should have picked a goalie.
Gags1288 said:That's a hilariously funny and yet ridiculous comment considering that both players post very comparable PPG's (Jagr has 1359 in 1060, Forsberg has 783 in 603). Jagr clearly has the heavier shot and uses it more, thus resulting in more goals per game. Forsberg is the better passer, with the better vision, resulting in more assists per game. The biggest thing Jagr has going for him in this debate is durability. The biggest things Forsberg has going for him is physical play, two way play, and the ability to step it up a notch or two in big games consistently.
arrbez said:BTW, I heard a romour (I'm not sure where) that 12 of 15 GM's like Forsberg better.
Mountaineer said:when it comes to hockey knowlege:
NHL GMs >>>> you
It's not just about spending your career on a stacked team. It's about elevating your play from the regular season to the post-season. It doesn't matter if you're Peter Forsberg or Peter Ferraro. When it comes to playoff time, you're expected to take your play to the next level. Watch Forsberg in the playoffs. Better yet, watch him in the 2002 playoffs. You'll love what you see. Skill. Savvy. Physical play. Carrying a team on his back. That is likely the best I've seen a forward play on a team that didn't reach the Cup final since Neely in 1991 or Gilmour in 1994.norrisnick said:Spending your career on a stacked team really helps with that winning aura, doesn't it?
Jagr.
God Bless Canada said:It's not just about spending your career on a stacked team. It's about elevating your play from the regular season to the post-season. It doesn't matter if you're Peter Forsberg or Peter Ferraro. When it comes to playoff time, you're expected to take your play to the next level. Watch Forsberg in the playoffs. Better yet, watch him in the 2002 playoffs. You'll love what you see. Skill. Savvy. Physical play. Carrying a team on his back. That is likely the best I've seen a forward play on a team that didn't reach the Cup final since Neely in 1991 or Gilmour in 1994.
To say one player is head and shoulders over the other is erroneous. They're both going to the HHOF. They're both top 50 all-time players. To say that Jagr is a goal scoring winger is also erroneous. He has more assists than goals every year of his career, and while I'm not a big believer in statistics, this is one you can't ignore.
As stated before, I'll take Forsberg. The fact that I would want him in a Game 7 more than Jagr is the clincher. (Although if I can have both, that's even better).