Jagr vs Forsberg

[Tat2dRich]

Now that's eloquent!

Don't care how many trophys Jagr got, you will never see him do this...

http://media.putfile.com/No-goal

Good point! Besides, Foppa doesn't look like a transvestite.

 

[lynchmob450]

Those choosing Jagr are doing so because he is a "pretty" player. But if you are looking to WIN, you wouldn't blink an eye on Forsberg!

 

[Chinaski*]

Jagr, no question

 

[Daily Special]

Forsberg, no question.

 

[norrisnick]

Those choosing Jagr are doing so because he is a "pretty" player. But if you are looking to WIN, you wouldn't blink an eye on Forsberg!

Spending your career on a stacked team really helps with that winning aura, doesn't it?

Jagr.

 

[Chinaski*]

This thread might be getting ugly in a few hours. Beware.

 

[Daily Special]

Forsberg. He was a better all-round player in his prime than Jagr, and is a better player now. Put it this way: I'd rather have Forsberg with 105 points and all he brings to the table, than Jagr with 120 points. (Which is the totals they had when they won their respective Hart Trophies). Yes, Jagr won his Hart playing with Kip Miller, while Forsberg did it with Hejduk and Tanguay, but in the end, Forsberg was still the better player. Both won two Cups, but Forsberg was an instrumental player on one of those championship teams. Jagr was a secondary player on the 1992 championship and a third liner in 1991. But in the end, I take Forsberg, because he's the guy I'd want on the ice in a Game 7 of the playoffs. And when it comes to comparing Forsberg and Jagr, it's not even close in that vital argument.

It's really a pick your poison poll, involving two completely different players. Both are headed for well-deserved places in the HHOF, no matter how you slice it.

Well said. Agreed, Forsberg offers the heightened play during the playoffs, and the better all around game.

 

[Quiet Robert]

It's an interesting debate. Forsberg all-around game has been overrated while Jagr has taken a lot criticism and has been underrated in recent years. Personally I'd go with Jagr.

We can get into a good debate about their strengths and weaknesses, but when it comes down to it, I think Jagr has had the better career and was the better player for longer. (Though Forsberg is probably better right now, from 1994-2001 Jagr was better.)

 

[Daily Special]

It's an interesting debate. Forsberg all-around game has been overrated while Jagr has taken a lot criticism and has been underrated in recent years. Personally I'd go with Jagr.

We can get into a good debate about their strengths and weaknesses, but when it comes down to it, I think Jagr has had the better career and was the better player for longer. (Though Forsberg is probably better right now, from 1994-2001 Jagr was better.)

um..

Jagr is a winger that scores goals...

Forsberg is a dominant two way center that controls the puck at will, at both ends of the ice, and plays 110% in the playoffs.

Not really much to debate.

Forsberg.. by far.

 

[Winston Wolf]

Don't care how many trophys Jagr got, you will never see him do this...

http://media.putfile.com/No-goal

That was sweet. Would have been even sweeter if Gagne would've roofed it.

 

[ForsbergForever]

Its Forsberg for me but just to play the devil's advocate, Foppa is a little heavy in the assists department while Jagr's stats seem more balanced. I think If Forsberg was a little more selfish with the puck it could really lift his game even higher.

 

[Toadliquor]

Jagr.

I'd like to see Peter lead the 99 Pens or the current Rangers team in a Jagr-type manner.

The 99 pens? I don't remember anything about the 99 pens (anything worth noticing that is)

 

[arrbez]

Heh, it's a pretty easy decision when you look at only the positives of one player and only the negatives of the other.

um..

Jagr is a winger that scores goals...

Peter Bondra is a winger who scores goales. If you think Jagr was simply your run of the mill sniper, you obviously never saw him play. IMO he's a top 15 offensive talent of all time. He was simply unstoppable. Besides, he only topped 50 goals twice, so I think it's fair to assume he got an assists or two during his 5 Art Ross seasons. His Washington days have really marred his career, but back in the day, he single handedly carried crappy teams into the playoffs, played through injury, and always competed hard in the playoffs. I think he gets severely underrated because of his recent pouting.

Forsberg is a dominant two way center that controls the puck at will, at both ends of the ice, and plays 110% in the playoffs.

Not really much to debate.

Forsberg.. by far.

Forsberg, despite popular belief, is not the Art Ross, Hart, and Selke, and Vezina all wrapped into one. He's solid defensively and often plays physical, but we're not talking about Bob Gainey here.

To sum it up: They are both legit choices, and I cant fault either one. But to say Forsberg is better by far leads me to believe you never saw Jagr in the 1990's.

 

[abe jr]

on my team now??? forsberg....but career wise its jagr hands down.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

The 99 pens? I don't remember anything about the 99 pens (anything worth noticing that is)

well to remind you, jagr played with two rookies(hrdina and kip miller) on his line and won the scoring title by a considerable margin. that team had no business getting into the playoffs let alone upsetting the #1 seed new jersey in the first round. forsberg's been on a cup contender his entire career.

 

[member 30781]

Forsberg. He was a better all-round player in his prime than Jagr, and is a better player now. Put it this way: I'd rather have Forsberg with 105 points and all he brings to the table, than Jagr with 120 points. (Which is the totals they had when they won their respective Hart Trophies). Yes, Jagr won his Hart playing with Kip Miller, while Forsberg did it with Hejduk and Tanguay, but in the end, Forsberg was still the better player. Both won two Cups, but Forsberg was an instrumental player on one of those championship teams. Jagr was a secondary player on the 1992 championship and a third liner in 1991. But in the end, I take Forsberg, because he's the guy I'd want on the ice in a Game 7 of the playoffs. And when it comes to comparing Forsberg and Jagr, it's not even close in that vital argument.

It's really a pick your poison poll, involving two completely different players. Both are headed for well-deserved places in the HHOF, no matter how you slice it.

Dont God bless Canada. GOD BLESS YOU FOR SAYING THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im a big Forsberg fan and i think you hit every nail with that one. Man your good.

 

[arrbez]

well to remind you, jagr played with two rookies(hrdina and kip miller) on his line and won the scoring title by a considerable margin.

He won it by 20 points. I didn't even realize it was that much

 

[tytech]

Jagr.

I'd like to see Peter lead the 99 Pens or the current Rangers team in a Jagr-type manner.

Peter is doing it now with the AHL flyers.

It comes down to winning the cup. Regular season it's close but Jagr would get more points in the end for his offensive skills at 120 points but a -3. Forsberg would have 90 points and a +40. In the playoffs I'd much, much, much rather have Forsberg in a game seven than Jagr.

 

[ForsbergForever]

And Foppa surges ahead with the lead! He was down 20-7 like an hour ago.

 

[Tucker316*]

Forsberg cant stay healthy, and never could. Jagr is impossible to take the puck off of, he scores like a machine, makes players around him that much better, and carries a team without any help really to first place in the standings and leads the league in points currently, with limited help.
I'd like to see anyone lead the league in points while keeping them in first place, the way jagr has done. Forsberg couldnt, he cant play more then half a season.
Too fragile, therefore he should learn to not be so physical, he cant really handle it.

Jagr with the puck, is amazing.

Jagr wins this, no comparison. Really only Mario in his prime was better in the past decade.

 

[Daily Special]

Heh, it's a pretty easy decision when you look at only the positives of one player and only the negatives of the other.

Peter Bondra is a winger who scores goales. If you think Jagr was simply your run of the mill sniper, you obviously never saw him play. IMO he's a top 15 offensive talent of all time. He was simply unstoppable. Besides, he only topped 50 goals twice, so I think it's fair to assume he got an assists or two during his 5 Art Ross seasons. His Washington days have really marred his career, but back in the day, he single handedly carried crappy teams into the playoffs, played through injury, and always competed hard in the playoffs. I think he gets severely underrated because of his recent pouting.

Forsberg, despite popular belief, is not the Art Ross, Hart, and Selke, and Vezina all wrapped into one. He's solid defensively and often plays physical, but we're not talking about Bob Gainey here.

To sum it up: They are both legit choices, and I cant fault either one. But to say Forsberg is better by far leads me to believe you never saw Jagr in the 1990's.

I've seen Jagr's heydey highlight reels, It's all offense. Great moves and great goals he celebrated by playing his hockey stick like a guitar, or rode like a motorcycle whilst his mullet blew in the breeze. I'm not as impressed as when I watch the 2 way play of Forsberg.

Foppa's ability to impose his will by either bull rushing someone over, or dangling between them like they were fastened pylons stand out more to me. I've literally seen Forsberg thwart several 2 on 1's by either stealing the puck with his stick or punking someone and taking it and then lead a rush the other way hotdogging his way between would-be defenders to make a breathtaking hairline pass through traffic for a goal. I've never seen anyone do that with such regularity in my life, not just a flashy offensive player, but a true dominant all around player at both ends.

Foppa early in his career (when the Nordiques first moved to Colorado) used to play keep away from multiple players with a dazzling display of puckhandling that literally seemed impossible, so much so, one of the four defenders he was beating over and over all by himself in the neutral zone, threw up his hands in disgust (true story). I can imagine people warned him after that to not embarrass people like that. This was from a guy that backcheckers "bounce off of" that delivers bone crushing checks and
sets up sure goals after his perpetual state of hypnotherapy on the PP breaks ankles. Forsberg is very much the Art Ross, Hart, and Selke all in one. It's no wonder 12 of 15 GM's picked him over Jagr in that poll of which forward they would choose to build their team around..

 

[Tucker316*]

Mario Lemieux says: Jaromir Jagr, no question.

When Gretzky played his last game, Gretzky said: Jagr, no question. He said he passes the torch to the best player in the league, and Forsberg wasnt the man.

 

[Pete Rock]

I knew I saw this one before:

http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=192318&highlight=Forsberg+Jagr

Wake me up when we're done re-hashing the same thing month-after-month. . .

 

[arrbez]

I've seen Jagr's heydey highlight reels, It's all offense. Great moves and great goals he celebrated by playing his hockey stick like a guitar, or rode like a motorcycle whilst his mullet blew in the breeze. I'm not as impressed as when I watch the 2 way play of Forsberg.

Foppa's ability to impose his will by either bull rushing someone over, or dangling between them like they were fastened pylons stand out more to me. I've literally seen Forsberg thwart several 2 on 1's by either stealing the puck with his stick or punking someone and taking it and then lead a rush the other way hotdogging his way between would-be defenders to make a breathtaking hairline pass through traffic for a goal. I've never seen anyone do that with such regularity in my life, not just a flashy offensive player, but a true dominant all around player at both ends.

Foppa early in his career (when the Nordiques first moved to Colorado) used to play keep away from multiple players with a dazzling display of puckhandling that literally seemed impossible, so much so, one of the four defenders he was beating over and over all by himself in the neutral zone, threw up his hands in disgust (true story). I can imagine people warned him after that to not embarrass people like that. This was from a guy that backcheckers "bounce off of" that delivers bone crushing checks and
sets up sure goals after his perpetual state of hypnotherapy on the PP breaks ankles. Forsberg is very much the Art Ross, Hart, and Selke all in one. It's no wonder 12 of 15 GM's picked him over Jagr in that poll of which forward they would choose to build their team around..

Do you see what you're doing here? It's happening again. You've reduced Jagr's accomplishments to:

"yeah, he scored some goals and then celebrated like an idiot"

Meanwhile, you just spent 2 paragraphs drooling over Forsberg's offensive abilities (the area where Jagr CLEARLY dominates), using the term hypnotherapy, and topping it off by claiming he's the Art Ross, Hart, and Selke all rolled into one.

Do you not see the problem here?

 

[Sanderson]

He's doing ti now with the AHL flyers

AHL Flyers???

The only player who might end up as a career AHLer is Chouinard. Meyer and Eager both could end up in the NHL in the future, Umberger already made the jump. The rest of the team consists of established NHLers or very talented youngsters, I'd hardly call that an AHL-team.

And it's not like the Flyers got all their wins in the last few games, they had a top five team in the beginning (or if they are healthy for that matter).