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Chimp said:
Because I'm sick of people defending Ruutu's actions and saying "it was Jagr's fault", "he should have kept his head up" and "this is true hockey." No on all of the above. This is exactly what hockey doesn't need and I will rant on those supporting cheapshots.
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But im sure Ruutu didnt try to get Jagr a concussion.

The fact was that Finland was getting penalty and the puck was been held by the best player of Czech team and when you look at Ruutu's job as a fourth liner in national team, it's to hit the best players and to brake their game.
 
edd1e said:
But im sure Ruutu didnt try to get Jagr a concussion.

The fact was that Finland was getting penalty and the puck was been held by the best player of Czech team and when you look at Ruutu's job as a fourth liner in national team, it's to hit the best players and to brake their game.
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Of course he is a hitter. But, as everyone else in a civilized society, he must be responsible for his actions when it goes wrong, which it obviously did. It doesn't matter if it was intentional or not, if it was intentional it only makes things much worse, but it's still a boarding no matter what.
 
edd1e said:
Chimp and others, what is the point of these arguements when the real judges have made their decision?

Ruutu can continue playing in these Olympics, and Jagr didnt get badly hurt in this accident.
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Because untill the NHL or olympics clean up their acts and get these idiots out of hockey,hockey will never be able to grow or get any better.The image of hockey needs to get better and the league will have to address this problem in the near future.They are on the right track now with the new rules and more exciting hockey.Now they need to take the next step and protect their players from this uncalled for violence.Who wants to watch people get hurt on purpose or a bunch of goons fighting where maybe a hockey game might break out now and then.The other sports don't allow this and hockey should not allow it either.
 
Chimp said:
Of course he is a hitter. But, as everyone else in a civilized society, he must be responsible for his actions when it goes wrong, which it obviously did. It doesn't matter if it was intentional or not, if it was intentional it only makes things much worse, but it's still a boarding no matter what.
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I agree and so did the referee, thats why he got 5+20min so whats the problem?
 
Chimp said:
For the 100th time, BOARDING. I have to ask you, how it is NOT a boarding? By your very faulty statement that a boarding can only be called when the opponent stands a bit away from the boards so he is thrown into them?.
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Boarding happens when the victim is near the boards, not alongside it.

Chimp said:
It is possibly a checking from behind as well, as the whole principle of checking from behind is that the check is delivered when the opponent doesn't see the hitter coming and is defenseless.
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Oh boy, you don't have the slightest clue about hockey rules. The hit was directly from side, it didn't come from behind at all. Thus 'checking from behind' is not even near in this case. You got the principle wrong.
 
68jagr68 said:
Because untill the NHL or olympics clean up their acts and get these idiots out of hockey,hockey will never be able to grow or get any better.The image of hockey needs to get better and the league will have to address this problem in the near future.They are on the right track now with the new rules and more exciting hockey.Now they need to take the next step and protect their players from this uncalled for violence.Who wants to watch people get hurt on purpose or a bunch of goons fighting where maybe a hockey game might break out now and then.The other sports don't allow this and hockey should not allow it either.
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You know these "goons" are part of ice hockey, thats why Canucks pay him. This thing was accident like i said in one of my posts.
 
Pepper said:
Boarding happens when the victim is near the boards, not alongside it.
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Oh boy, you don't have the slightest clue about hockeyrules. A violent tackle where the opponent hits the boards is a boarding. If he doesn't hit the boards, it's charging. For the 100th time, show me the effing rules where it says anything about a boarding cannot be called if the victim is alongside the boards. Show me any serious ref that will claim this, apart from the Finnish joke that was in here earlier today, claiming he was a licensed ref, also claiming something that all other colleagues asked so far says exactly the opposite of.

I have asked two independent hockeyrefs on the subject, (one licensed, one retired), both have claimed exactly the same. I have also heard it being said, loud and clear on TV, by the Swedish national hockey ref in place in the Olympics (I mailed Swedish Television to take up the subject when he was in the studio and they did). I have read the book of rules. What have you done to support your facts, other from claiming that "I know nothing of hockey?" Show me the fact that says what you claim to know is true instead of talking bull.

Oh boy, you don't have the slightest clue about hockey rules. The hit was directly from side, it didn't come from behind at all. Thus 'checking from behind' is not even near in this case. You got the principle wrong.
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As I just said, it was NOT a checking from behind.
 
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edd1e said:
You know these "goons" are part of ice hockey, thats why Canucks pay him. This thing was accident like i said in one of my posts.
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actually ruutu coulda - " really " - nailed him
 
Chimp said:
Oh boy, you don't have the slightest clue about hockeyrules. A violent tackle where the opponent hits the boards is a boarding.
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You have to be kidding me?? There's 50 violent hits in every NHL game where the victim hits the boards. Why don't the refs call those?
 
Pepper said:
You have to be kidding me?? There's 50 violent hits in every NHL game where the victim hits the boards. Why don't the refs call those?
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Because they don't consider them illegal? Duh? If you as well want to start to play word games, we can call it "slammed", "thrown", or whatever.

So? Where is your proof that a boarding cannot be called when the opponent is alongside the boards?
 
Finnish head coach Erkka Westerlund just said the hit was clean and that they watched it many times after the game and could'nt find anything wrong with it
 
jepjepjoo said:
Finnish head coach Erkka Westerlund just said the hit was clean and that they watched it many times after the game and could'nt find anything wrong with it
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Like that asking the head coach for one of the involved teams will prove anything. I'm sure he is very objective :sarcasm: . Coaches in different sports are actually often badly educated about the specific details about rules. Let alone the audience and fans.

And before you start ranting "but so are you", that's why I have asked several refs on the subject and read the rules.
 
jepjepjoo said:
Ruutu: "I'm here to win not to make friends" :clap:
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I'd make him earn his living doing something else instead of hockey.What he done was to intentionaly try to hurt someone and should be thrown out of the olympics.Anyone doing the same thing in the NHL should be thrown out of the NHL.What he done was a criminal act and should not be tolerated.
 
Jarkko Ruutu is one of the biggest chickenshits the NHL has ever seen. One day, someone is going to take him out permanently, and I will become that player's biggest fan.
 
Pepper said:
You have to be kidding me?? There's 50 violent hits in every NHL game where the victim hits the boards. Why don't the refs call those?
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Oh really? There are 50 hits a game where the players face gets crushed into the boards leaving the player bloodied on the ice? Wow, I can't believe ive missed it...the ice would be almost all red by the time the game was over.
 
Dogbert said:
Jarkko Ruutu is one of the biggest chickenshits the NHL has ever seen. One day, someone is going to take him out permanently, and I will become that player's biggest fan.
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I second that motion :yo: :clap:
 
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