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Player Discussion Jacob Trouba

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True Blue said:
There are issues on any team. But when it comes to a team that is the youngest in the league for two years running and whose roster is from from completed, yeah, I would say that hitting the panic button is a sign of impatience.
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Nobody is hitting any panic button, not sure why you don't understand that. Forgive people for wanting to see improvement, i forgot it's against the rules for this team
 
NYR3 said:
Nobody is hitting any panic button, not sure why you don't understand that. Forgive people for wanting to see improvement, i forgot it's against the rules for this team
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Look at the team's play last year. Look at the team's play this year. If you have not seen improvement, not sure of what to tell you. Or frankly have no idea of what you are watching. But if you search for something, you will certainly find it.
 
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True Blue said:
Look at the team's play last year. Look at the team's play this year. If you have not seen improvement, not sure of what to tell you. Or frankly have no idea of what you are watching. But if you search for something, you will certainly find it.
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There is improvement but the team is dog shit so it's definitely not enough.
 
I’ve basically seen Trouba play 3 different levels of hockey this season:

Tier 1: Dominant defensively, non-existent offensively. Only time I’ve seen this was against Washington. But it was great, and I admitted as such.

Tier 2: Sound defensively, non-existent offensively. This has been his play most of the season. I’m content with it, because he’s not making horrible mistakes each game, but he’s hardly dominating. Still a big step up from last year.

Tier 3: Below-average defensively, non-existent offensively. A few games this season, with a couple of atrocious hiccups leading to goals against.

I think the issue is, even Tier 1 Trouba is a more like a $6.5 million guy, and we hardly ever see him. His play most of this season is that of a $4.5-5 million guy. And I just don’t see him doing anything other than regressing over the years.

People keep bringing up the Trouba trade. Let’s not confuse that with the signing of Trouba. Gorton did a nice job on the trade - it was too good to pass up. I do think he got fleeced on the contract we gave him though.
 
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NYR3 said:
I didn't expect much from them but i did expect our veterans to be better and for Lafreniere to be a bit better offensively
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That is fair to a point. I also expected the vets to be better, but it seems that slowly, ever so slowly they are rounding into form. In ZBad's case, the Covid thing cannot be understated.

Lafreiere's play has been fine. With the vets playing better and just a tiny bit of more luck, not sure that he is not sitting with 5 or 6 more points right now.
 
True Blue said:
That is fair to a point. I also expected the vets to be better, but it seems that slowly, ever so slowly they are rounding into form. In ZBad's case, the Covid thing cannot be understated.

Lafreiere's play has been fine. With the vets playing better and just a tiny bit of more luck, not sure that he is not sitting with 5 or 6 more points right now.
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I think Laf will be fine, Kakko too who has been very good. Think we have to worry about the vets more honestly
 
NYR3 said:
I think Laf will be fine, Kakko too who has been very good. Think we have to worry about the vets more honestly
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Here we agree. As pleasantly surprised as I am about some things, the way that (largely) the vets have started this season off sets that. BUT, we KNOW that Kreider is streaky. Just coming at the wrong time as ZBad was suffering the after effects of Covid. We KNOW that Panarin, while not as good as last year, is still pacing over 100 points. And Buchnevich has been solid. More than solid, actually. So at least with those 4, I feel ok now. Strome? I defended him to no end last year and in the summer and that did not hold up very well. But here he sits, still with 4 goals and 6 points.

Feels like a lot more good than bad has been happening and some ridiculous bad luck
 
True Blue said:
Here we agree. As pleasantly surprised as I am about some things, the way that (largely) the vets have started this season off sets that. BUT, we KNOW that Kreider is streaky. Just coming at the wrong time as ZBad was suffering the after effects of Covid. We KNOW that Panarin, while not as good as last year, is still pacing over 100 points. And Buchnevich has been solid. More than solid, actually. So at least with those 4, I feel ok now. Strome? I defended him to no end last year and in the summer and that did not hold up very well. But here he sits, still with 4 goals and 6 points.

Feels like a lot more good than bad has been happening and some ridiculous bad luck
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For the record, i wanted Kreider moved last year and i still do. I don't think having that much money tied up in LWs is a good idea. I know he was signed before we got Laf but still.

Panarin is always solid but it's possible that last season is the best we see from him as a NYR which isn't a horrible thing but i don't think it's realistic to expect 100 points from him every year. Same thing with Zibanejad. We'll be lucky if he has another season like he had last year.

Buchnevich has looked way better which is nice to see. Strome needs to be gone asap
 
ColonialsHockey10 said:
I’ve basically seen Trouba play 3 different levels of hockey this season:

Tier 1: Dominant defensively, non-existent offensively. Only time I’ve seen this was against Washington. But it was great, and I admitted as such.

Tier 2: Sound defensively, non-existent offensively. This has been his play most of the season. I’m content with it, because he’s not making horrible mistakes each game, but he’s hardly dominating. Still a big step up from last year.

Tier 3: Below-average defensively, non-existent offensively. A few games this season, with a couple of atrocious hiccups leading to goals against.

I think the issue is, even Tier 1 Trouba is a more like a $6.5 million guy, and we hardly ever see him. His play most of this season is that of a $4.5-5 million guy. And I just don’t see him doing anything other than regressing over the years.

People keep bringing up the Trouba trade. Let’s not confuse that with the signing of Trouba. Gorton did a nice job on the trade - it was too good to pass up. I do think he got fleeced on the contract we gave him though.
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At this point if he can be anywhere between tier 1 and tier 2 for the majority of the games I think that helps a lot. Yet in my opinion he has been in tier 3 for at least 5 of the games so far and I think I am being generous.

The odd thing is nothing is consecutive, he can be tier 1 for a game, then tier 3 next game, then tier 45, then 1 again.(in a way shift by shift even)

I think he needs to simplify his game, be good defensively and let the others take care of the other stuff like pinching, carrying the puck up ice, making stretch passes.
 
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I don't give a damn about numbering dmen, but humor me...

Trouba is a #2 dman
Fox is a _____ dman
Lindgren is a _______ dman
Miller is playing like a _______ dman
The NYR's top 4 dmen are _______ in the league
 
huerter said:
I don't give a damn about numbering dmen, but humor me...

Trouba is a #2 dman
Fox is a _____ dman
Lindgren is a _______ dman
Miller is playing like a _______ dman
The NYR's top 4 dmen are _______ in the league
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I said humor me.
 
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Crease said:
Trouba reminds me of prime Marc Staal. And you wouldn’t have wanted to pay Staal top 10 money.
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I can't imagine anyone that reminds me less of Marc Staal than Trouba. Prime or not. The only thing they have in common is Staal's pitiful giveaways in his later years.
 
I'm baffled how this guy was ever considered a first pairing guy and that he has a 50 point season to his record. He whiffs on the puck on at least a third of his outlet passes, literally has no vision in the offensive zone. He has tunnel vision in that he shoots the puck toward the net as soon as he gets regardless of angle, distance, or if someone is screening the goalie, and in that way often misses wide open lanes to skate in or pass to in the seam. On top of that he's pretty slow.

He has two strengths, power to his slap shot (that never hits the net) and can make some big hits. Besides that he's incredibly ordinary with a lot of flaws. I'm baffled at how he was ever a 50 point player with his skill set and decision making.
 
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The New Russian Five said:
I'm baffled how this guy was ever considered a first pairing guy and that he has a 50 point season to his record. He whiffs on the puck on at least a third of his outlet passes, literally has no vision in the offensive zone. He has tunnel vision in that he shoots the puck toward the net as soon as he gets regardless of angle, distance, or if someone is screening the goalie, and in that way often misses wide open lanes to skate in or pass to in the seam. On top of that he's pretty slow.

He has two strengths, power to his slap shot (that never hits the net) and can make some big hits. Besides that he's incredibly ordinary with a lot of flaws. I'm baffled at how he was ever a 50 point player with his skill set and decision making.
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He’s a 30-ish point defenseman, which is still above average for a defenseman. He’s a decent passer at times and can get up and join the rush.

Agreed with the shooting and being useless in the offensive zone for the most part though.

50 point season was an aberration and PP driven a lot. He got touches on a really good PP than ran through Wheeler and Laine.

Defensively he’s meh. He’s usually in good position, and his effort is never a question. But he will have some gaffes like getting beat, losing a Foot race and coughing up the puck.

His skating is an issue and I think his contract might be one too. He’s overpaid to the point where I don’t think you sign him to that contract if you get a do over.

I wanna like the player, but I just don’t think he’s good enough especially at his cost.
 
The New Russian Five said:
I'm baffled how this guy was ever considered a first pairing guy and that he has a 50 point season to his record. He whiffs on the puck on at least a third of his outlet passes, literally has no vision in the offensive zone. He has tunnel vision in that he shoots the puck toward the net as soon as he gets regardless of angle, distance, or if someone is screening the goalie, and in that way often misses wide open lanes to skate in or pass to in the seam. On top of that he's pretty slow.

He has two strengths, power to his slap shot (that never hits the net) and can make some big hits. Besides that he's incredibly ordinary with a lot of flaws. I'm baffled at how he was ever a 50 point player with his skill set and decision making.
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The production is pretty clear as the Jets did the same thing with Pionk.

The rest of his game? I honestly think Trouba and Morrissey literally need to play together or something. :laugh:
 
I don't really have any strong feelings one way or another about Trouba.

The worst thing about all of this is that we're going to have this running discussion for four more years, or more.
 
For reals tho, I think he’s just trying to do to much. This franchise has huge expectations for him, as a leader, a player, and an investment. He can’t seem to resist pinching in the offensive zone, lining someone up in the neutral zone, making the risky stretch pass from the defensive zone, etc.

It’s like he’s trying to be Adam Fox and Ryan Lindgren at the same time.
 
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