Jacob Trouba

[Ducky10]

Wonder where Stu and Chiarot would be on that list?

This page isn't long enough.

 

[Mathmew Purrrr Oh]

Can someone explain this chart?

For all the angst (by some) of Trouba's "struggling", it would appear that he is not struggling at all.

http://hockey-graphs.com/2015/10/01...predictor-of-future-scoring-than-corsi-goals/

personally I'm still not sure what to make of it - any formula that tries to incorporate shooter talent gets my hackles up

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Bridge deal rules?

Does anyone know the rules regarding free agent status after a bridge deal? Do players automatically shift to UFA status or does their age factor in. i.e. RFA but with arbitration rights?

A bridge deal for Trouba is a possibility and I was wondering how that would play out down the line.

 

[garret9]

Can someone explain this chart?

For all the angst (by some) of Trouba's "struggling", it would appear that he is not struggling at all.

Sorry, very late to reply...

The ixG is the average number of goals we expect the player to score given:
* number of shots they've taken
* the angle to the net for the shots
* the distance from the net for the shots
* whether the player was on off-hand side or regular side
* whether the shot was a rush shot, rebound, or neither
* and regressed value of shooter's history

G is the actual number of goals they've scored

ixG/60 is just ixG per 60 minutes of ice time

 

[10Ducky10]

Does anyone know the rules regarding free agent status after a bridge deal? Do players automatically shift to UFA status or does their age factor in. i.e. RFA but with arbitration rights?

A bridge deal for Trouba is a possibility and I was wondering how that would play out down the line.

Trouba would be an RFA after a two year bridge deal. Not sure if it were a three year deal.

 

[Evil Little]

Does anyone know the rules regarding free agent status after a bridge deal? Do players automatically shift to UFA status or does their age factor in. i.e. RFA but with arbitration rights?

A bridge deal for Trouba is a possibility and I was wondering how that would play out down the line.

Unless something crazy happens--looking at you Drouin--Trouba has four RFA years left after his expiring ELC.

Two year bridge deals are good because they have two restricted years left.

Three year bridge deals are bad because after them the player can just go to arbitration, get a one season award (as are all arbitration awards), go to UFA the following season, and have the GM ridiculed on the internet for bad asset management. (Hello Frolik--his last Jets contract was just what his arbitration award was going to be).

For the record, it's basically years of pro service. Two-time CHL slides should go UFA at 27-ish, "19 year old" rookies (from CHL, NCAA, or Europe) should go UFA at 26-ish, and stright-outta-the-draft NHLers should go UFA at 25-ish.

As an aside, Burmistrov's trip to the KHL extended his restricted years. He would have gone UFA at 25, but now will at 27. He's basically on a two-year bridge right now.

 

[irunthepeg]

Maybe Trouba will look to 2012's 2nd overall for bridge deal considerations

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Unless something crazy happens--looking at you Drouin--Trouba has four RFA years left after his expiring ELC.

Two year bridge deals are good because they have two restricted years left.

Three year bridge deals are bad because after them the player can just go to arbitration, get a one season award (as are all arbitration awards), go to UFA the following season, and have the GM ridiculed on the internet for bad asset management. (Hello Frolik--his last Jets contract was just what his arbitration award was going to be).

For the record, it's basically years of pro service. Two-time CHL slides should go UFA at 27-ish, "19 year old" rookies (from CHL, NCAA, or Europe) should go UFA at 26-ish, and stright-outta-the-draft NHLers should go UFA at 25-ish.

As an aside, Burmistrov's trip to the KHL extended his restricted years. He would have gone UFA at 25, but now will at 27. He's basically on a two-year bridge right now.

Thanks "Evil Little" & 10Ducky10... that makes things a little better.

 

[Board Bard]

Unless something crazy happens--looking at you Drouin--Trouba has four RFA years left after his expiring ELC.

Two year bridge deals are good because they have two restricted years left.

Three year bridge deals are bad because after them the player can just go to arbitration, get a one season award (as are all arbitration awards), go to UFA the following season, and have the GM ridiculed on the internet for bad asset management. (Hello Frolik--his last Jets contract was just what his arbitration award was going to be).

For the record, it's basically years of pro service. Two-time CHL slides should go UFA at 27-ish, "19 year old" rookies (from CHL, NCAA, or Europe) should go UFA at 26-ish, and stright-outta-the-draft NHLers should go UFA at 25-ish.

As an aside, Burmistrov's trip to the KHL extended his restricted years. He would have gone UFA at 25, but now will at 27. He's basically on a two-year bridge right now.

I could be mistaken but I thought arbitration awards could be longer than one year, but they cannot extend into UFA years. So a player with two RFA years left could get a two-year deal in arbitration, but a player with one RFA year left could not.

 

[Robinson2187]

Nobody that I know of outside the org knows what his off season fitness program back home in Michigan is but hey lets whip up theories of problems maybe we can drum him out of town too?

In your opinion, who else have we drummed out of town?

 

[Holden Caulfield]

I could be mistaken but I thought arbitration awards could be longer than one year, but they cannot extend into UFA years. So a player with two RFA years left could get a two-year deal in arbitration, but a player with one RFA year left could not.

Ill have to look up regarding the UFA/RFA thing. I think you are right regarding that.

Arbitration awards can only be 1 or 2 year deals though. And against whomever the arbitration is taken gets to choose the length. So if the player elects arbitration then the team gets to choose between a one year contract or a two year contract. If the the team elects arbitration than the player gets to choose the length of the deal (again 1 or 2 years). You only rarely get 2 year deals though.

 

[ps241]

In your opinion, who else have we drummed out of town?

I don't want to go down this road but I will leave it with its not like the players are idiots and don't hear the **** that gets spewed about them.

 

[Robinson2187]

I don't want to go down this road but I will leave it with its not like the players are idiots and don't hear the **** that gets spewed about them.

Fair enough. Although it looks to me like Trouba isn't as invested as he should be. It could be conditioning or it could be mental/psychological. I don't have any evidence of this...just my opinion.

 

[Espirit]

With Morgan Reilly at 5Mill for 6 yrs and Maata at 4.08Mill for 6, I guess we should expect the same for Trouba?

 

[ps241]

With Morgan Reilly at 5Mill for 6 yrs and Maata at 4.08Mill for 6, I guess we should expect the same for Trouba?

Throw in Dougie Hamilton 6 x $5.75 too.

 

[Whileee]

With Morgan Reilly at 5Mill for 6 yrs and Maata at 4.08Mill for 6, I guess we should expect the same for Trouba?

Something in that range would be terrific. I would be happy going a bit higher and longer.

It all assumes that Trouba wants to be in Wpg long-term. If so, lock him up. If not, move him at the right time, as early as this summer.

 

[MardyBum]

Sign Trouba for a similar deal, or deal him and our first (maybe another small piece) to Edmonton when they win the lottery for Matthews >_>.

 

[Huffer]

Hopefully something similar to Rielly if they go 6, although I would be hoping for 8 for the right price.

 

[Huffer]

Sign Trouba for a similar deal, or deal him and our first (maybe another small piece) to Edmonton when they win the lottery for Matthews >_>.

I'd add to Trouba, but not our own 1st myself.

 

[DHHJ]

Does anyone know who the agent is for Jacob Trouba? Thanks for any help!

 

[cbcwpg]

Something in that range would be terrific. I would be happy going a bit higher and longer.

It all assumes that Trouba wants to be in Wpg long-term. If so, lock him up. If not, move him at the right time, as early as this summer.

That's the first issue that needs to be dealt with. Find out where Trouba stands. We don't need another player asking to be traded every season, yet we sign him to a long term contract anyways for whatever purpose.

 

[larmex99]

Does anyone know who the agent is for Jacob Trouba? Thanks for any help!

Kurt Overhardt

 

[Channelcat]

Apparently Kurt Overhardt is a real pain in the ass too!

 

[larmex99]

Apparently Kurt Overhardt is a real pain in the ass too!

Players decide on an agent based on what they hope to accomplish through bargaining. Probably Trouba and Overhardt have a long term strategy that will be reflected in the type of deal they negotiate. I think that Chevy has learned that playing nice with malcontents won't generate loyalty. Guess I don't have to point out the previous malcontent. Hopefully Trouba isn't looking to move on.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

Trouba should sign a 6 year 4.75 AAV deal, as he gets his life setting first big contract. He would then line him self up for a major payday as a UFA at 29 years old if he continues to progress to what we think he will be. If he wants to take the chance for more money he can take a similar bridge as R Murray with Columbus at 2 years @ 2.8 million AAV. That's a big risk! If he is smart he takes the 6 years at 4.75 mill. and the extra guaranteed 22.5 million.

If Chevy is a smart poker player he only has those 2 firm deals on the table and tells Trouba s agent he can reach him by cell on his deck at the cabin whenever Trouba is ready to sign. Trouba has limited negotiation power coming off his ELC. Only the threat of a offer sheet and I doubt any GM would do that to the Jets (seeing our available cap).