Player Discussion Jackson Blake

[Borsig]

Stank
Is
A
Center.

 

[CandyCanes]

Stank
Is
A
Center.

I do think this good problem of too many talented right wing forwards resolves itself if we can get one of Stankoven or Jarvis to become a center on this team.

 

[Stanky and Janky]

The path forward with these guys definitely will depend on what comes available. I'm not keen on moving any of them, but if they can be used to acquire a stud dman or center, you have to think long and hard. Obviously, the ideal scenario is that we manage to acquire those pieces in free agency or with the many other nice trade assets we have and have one of those teams that's stacked top to bottom. That's not even a fantasy if a few things break our way this offseason and/or by next trade deadline.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Not sold on his long-term future with the club. This is actually a compliment to him and how well he's played. They're going to have to give to get a star player. Kaprizov, for example, is not getting traded here for futures alone. Blake is increasingly compelling a piece to acquire something meaningful.

 

[MinJaBen]

Not sold on his long-term future with the club. This is actually a compliment to him and how well he's played. They're going to have to give to get a star player. Kaprizov, for example, is not getting traded here for futures alone. Blake is increasingly compelling a piece to acquire something meaningful.

Yeah, of course he is available for guys like Kaprizov. I find it hard to believe Kaprizov becomes available, and if he does, he is willing to go to Carolina. I fully expect if he is available, he has a destination in mind just like the breadman, Rantanen, etc.

Otherwise, I fully expect Blake to be here unless we can't afford him.

 

[Stanky and Janky]

Not sold on his long-term future with the club. This is actually a compliment to him and how well he's played. They're going to have to give to get a star player. Kaprizov, for example, is not getting traded here for futures alone. Blake is increasingly compelling a piece to acquire something meaningful.

I don't think there's much doubt they'd move a guy like Blake for Kaprizov. We'll see who comes available. I don't think Kaprizov necessarily will. Even if he does, I'm not sure I see him as a guy that would commit here long term. If he doesn't stick with the Wild, I bet he's got a couple of destinations in mind. Given that Blake isn't a Necas in terms of fit, I don't think they'd necessarily take the risk they took with Rantanen without that long term commitment.

 

[MinJaBen]

I don't think there's much doubt they'd move a guy like Blake for Kaprizov. We'll see who comes available. I don't think Kaprizov necessarily will. Even if he does, I'm not sure I see him as a guy that would commit here long term. If he doesn't stick with the Wild, I bet he's got a couple of destinations in mind. Given that Blake isn't a Necas in terms of fit, I don't think they'd necessarily take the risk they took with Rantanen without that long term commitment.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Kaprizov is just the next superstar nearing a decision on his long-term future.

Their behavior, successful and unsuccessful, indicates that they they're not going to stop trying, for whoever that may be. Hence, my skepticism.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Not sold on his long-term future with the club. This is actually a compliment to him and how well he's played. They're going to have to give to get a star player. Kaprizov, for example, is not getting traded here for futures alone. Blake is increasingly compelling a piece to acquire something meaningful.

Kaprizov is a UFA in a year, I don't think we're going to consider risking a repeat of Rantanen fiasco with him and I don't see Kaprizov agreeing to sign a deal in any trade rather than just hitting free agency. Kap, if MIN can't keep him, is absolutely my top target for us in our continuous big game hunting efforts. He definitely qualifies as a player I would consider moving Blake for but I just think it's unlikely we see a trade for him. And obviously much better for us if we can just sign him as a UFA.

And anyways, league wide I'm not so sure Stank's value is less than Blake's , so Stank can be a main piece in a trade for a star player if one comes available too. I'm just not convinced one that makes sense for us comes available via trade in the next couple years. I think going big game hunting in the UFA market for the first time with the borg may be how we plan to approach it. Then we don't have to move any in that trade but will have to move somebody for cap allocation reasons eventually, but probably moved for picks/cheaper prospects to help us keep backfilling any cap-related departures, as we've done recently anyways.

I see Blake being here long term, but yeah like I said in my other post I would consider moving him for the right player. A top tier 2C or any tier 1C to pair with Aho, a superstar winger like Kaprizov, a top tier RHD are guys that would qualify there. Just so rare that they come available and when they do every single team is bidding for them. Plus I do think we have assets to pull off a big trade without moving Blake, if we do want to keep him that badly. Which Rod's usage of him and trust in him suggests may be the case...

 

[Incubajerks]

Love this kid, I think he is a special player like Jarvis.

 

[Tryamw]

So keel or no keel I r so confused

 

[Stanky and Janky]

So keel or no keel I r so confused

No cry for heem, already ded.

 

[NotOpie]

Stankoven is a fit, I’m not so sure about Nadeau. He brings a skillet that the Hurricanes sorely lack, but is he ever going to be able to play the way RBA demands? Personally, I think there’s enough doubt there internally for the Canes that he’s the one most likely traded out of the smaller righties. I’d also hope they’d be very careful if they do consider trading Nadeau. This summer will be very interesting.

I think a lot of these types of decisions depend on this season's playoffs and players' performance in the various series. Blake has looked like he belongs, Nadeau did what he needed to do in the A, and Stank has had a nice bit of business so far in the playoffs. Regardless, if we get bounced because of lack of scoring or, more to the point, because we get out muscled, I could see more willingness to make a trade that includes one of these guys (assuming the right target). However, if things go well in the playoffs, then I see us making a tweak or two around the edges or making a single blockbuster trade at the draft, but not really messing too much with team chemistry. Things will clarify in late June.

 

[spockBokk]

I think a lot of these types of decisions depend on this season's playoffs and players' performance in the various series. Blake has looked like he belongs, Nadeau did what he needed to do in the A, and Stank has had a nice bit of business so far in the playoffs. Regardless, if we get bounced because of lack of scoring or, more to the point, because we get out muscled, I could see more willingness to make a trade that includes one of these guys (assuming the right target). However, if things go well in the playoffs, then I see us making a tweak or two around the edges or making a single blockbuster trade at the draft, but not really messing too much with team chemistry. Things will clarify in late June.

I think with the whole Rantanen fiasco and the thought that went into this past summer’s FA acquisitions, “fit” in RBAs system is pretty much the biggest factor in determining which players stick around and which ones don’t. The whole “Stankoven was born to be a Hurricane” thing is a bit much, but you can’t deny he’s come in and pretty much fit seamlessly. Blake even more, just fits the RBA system. I bet they can teach Nadeau how to fit, but again, I have my doubts.

Nadeau, though, brings that shot, which no other prospect in the system can hold a candle to and 32goals as a teenager in a men’s league is very encouraging. I don’t think it’s a given Nadeau is dealt, I just see him as the most likely out of him, Blake and Stankoven if the choice is going to be made.

I think ideally, this summer they use their picks from Dallas and prospects not named Nadeau or Morrow to add a 2C and potentially a top 4 RD in a trade or 2 and add a wing like Ehlers or Boeser in FA. Getting the 2C and top 4 RD they need though probably does cost Morrow and/or Nadeau though.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

I think ideally, this summer they use their picks from Dallas and prospects not named Nadeau or Morrow to add a 2C and potentially a top 4 RD in a trade or 2 and add a wing like Ehlers or Boeser in FA. Getting the 2C and top 4 RD they need though probably does cost Morrow and/or Nadeau though.

With Nadeau it would all hinge on the level of center they look at. Would I trade him for a Trochek level #2 center? Not a chance. Trade him for a JT Miller (younger) level #2 center? I think they do that 10 times out of 10.

 

[spockBokk]

With Nadeau it would all hinge on the level of center they look at. Would I trade him for a Trochek level #2 center? Not a chance. Trade o him for a JT Miller (younger) level #2 center? I think they do that 10 times out of 10.

Yep, a C like Miller in his mid 20s is exactly what is needed, but who, outside of Pettersson, fits that bill and will be available? (And yes, I still think the Canes should be interested in Pettersson, but not at the expense of Nadeau. That contract is very risky if he never returns to form)

So, I more so think they’d use Morrow + picks for a top 4 RD than Nadeau + for a C, cause I just can’t think of a C that’s going to be available. However, I do find it odd that Nadeau didn’t get called up with the other black aces yesterday. I get that someone line Jaaska would most certainly slot in front of Nadeau in case of injury and they also have Jost and Roslovic, but why not call up your top F prospect too?

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Yep, a C like Miller in his mid 20s is exactly what is needed, but who, outside of Pettersson, fits that bill and will be available? (And yes, I still think the Canes should be interested in Pettersson, but not at the expense of Nadeau. That contract is very risky if he never returns to form)

So, I more so think they’d use Morrow + picks for a top 4 RD than Nadeau + for a C, cause I just can’t think of a C that’s going to be available. However, I do find it odd that Nadeau didn’t get called up with the other black aces yesterday. I get that someone line Jaaska would most certainly slot in front of Nadeau in case of injury and they also have Jost and Roslovic, but why not call up your top F prospect too?

The only way he gets in is due to injuries and it would take 2-3 of the top 6 before he slots in I'd think. And if we have that many players getting injured they may not want to risk him getting hurt as well at that point.

Plus given the ice time he got in 2 meaningless games at the end of the year Rod clearly doesn't trust his 2 way play yet.

 

[bleedgreen]

I think we should spend our money on defense and goaltending instead of trying to get rid of this new generation of forwards before they even get going.

This team is as close as it’s ever been to being an actual Rod team. Adding skill doesn’t automatically improve us as not all skill players fit the style. Other than trying to find that 2C that’s preferably a righty I wouldn’t touch the forward group. I’d consider revamping the defense so it’s amongst the best again, and I’d find a better goalie situation if there’s one out there.

 

[spockBokk]

I think we should spend our money on defense and goaltending instead of trying to get rid of this new generation of forwards before they even get going.

This team is as close as it’s ever been to being an actual Rod team. Adding skill doesn’t automatically improve us as not all skill players fit the style. Other than trying to find that 2C that’s preferably a righty I wouldn’t touch the forward group. I’d consider revamping the defense so it’s amongst the best again, and I’find a better goalie situation if there’s one out there.

While I mostly agree with this, especially them maybe grabbing a top 4 RD out of nowhere. I think - the opportunities that may present themselves to grab another “star, the oodles of cap space they’ll have to play with and the trade ammo they have now from the Rantanen deal - will be too enticing for them not to at least try and add 1-2 impact forwards too. I’ll be suprised if they don’t add at least an Ehlers-type.

 

[bleedgreen]

While I mostly agree with this, especially them maybe grabbing a top 4 RD out of nowhere. I think - the opportunities that may present themselves to grab another “star, the oodles of cap space they’ll have to play with and the trade ammo they have now from the Rantanen deal - will be too enticing for them not to at least try and add 1-2 impact forwards too. I’ll be suprised if they don’t add at least an Ehlers-type.

Well Ehlers might be the exact bad fit I’m referring to, as well has being about as reliable as Freddie….so you’re probably right and we’re after him.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Not only is Ehlers a questionable stylistic fit, but also has a lot to prove in the postseason. They're trying to win the Cup. Guentzel and Rantanen were proven playoff performers.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

This will sound crazy to people, but I could see the Canes really making a push for Quinn Hughes, even if Nikishin and one of the big three right-shots (Blake/Stank/Nadeau) has to be part of the return. The Canes system, as controversial as it might be for some scorers, is an absolute dream for defensemen. I could totally see Carolina being one of those teams that is able to convince him to not play with Jack and Luke.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

This will sound crazy to people, but I could see the Canes really making a push for Quinn Hughes, even if Nikishin and one of the big three right-shots (Blake/Stank/Nadeau) has to be part of the return. The Canes system, as controversial as it might be for some scorers, is an absolute dream for defensemen. I could totally see Carolina being one of those teams that is able to convince him to not play with Jack and Luke.

Given this teams love of d-men you certainly can't rule something like that out but they'd have to feel insanely confident in an extension and playing someone on their off side for that to happen. And at somewhat of a discount since that likely costs us our best chance at a center upgrade.

But yeah a top 4 of Slavin, Hughes, Nikishin, anyone with a pulse, would be absurd.

 

[Borsig]

I am *really* tired of people giving up the young players we have control on for years to come as pieces for older stuff now. This team has the abillity to be an actual dynasty material team. for years to come. Stop giving that away. You dont need to win the cup every year to be a dynasty but you have to be in the show. No we dont want to be the sharks. But we also dont want to give the future away when we have such good drafted players

Blake, Stank Nadeau should be untouchable because one of Stank, Jarvis can become a cetner if we work them on faceoffs. Stank IS a center. Or was. You dont give up these players.

Hughes? Please. We have great D prospects in Nikishin and Morrow, even Fensore. Maybe try and get a DFD liek PESCE YOU LOST but.....

 

[SlavinAway]

This will sound crazy to people, but I could see the Canes really making a push for Quinn Hughes, even if Nikishin and one of the big three right-shots (Blake/Stank/Nadeau) has to be part of the return. The Canes system, as controversial as it might be for some scorers, is an absolute dream for defensemen. I could totally see Carolina being one of those teams that is able to convince him to not play with Jack and Luke.

That seems unlikely to me as that would put one of Slavin, Nikishin, or Hughes on the 3rd pair unless you play one on their offside which we've rarely seen them do.