Proposal: Jackets - Avs

[JohnnyJacket13]

This may seem like a knee-jerk reaction to the Jackets disaster of a first game of the season, but I am honestly shocked the forward group which finished near the bottom of the standings was kept nearly intact.

To COL:
-Ryan Murray
-Boone Jenner
-Gregory Campbell (salary reasons)

To CBJ:
-Matt Duchene
-Nikita Zadorov

Jackets fans: I know you're thinking that there is no chance we give up Jenner, but in this case, you have to give to get. And Avs fans: I know you're high on Zadorov, but Murray is certainly no slouch (as seen in the WCoH where he was NA's best defensive defenseman). Avalanche get a top-pairing LHD and a heart and soul kind of player that scored 30g last season. Jackets get their top-line center who fits into the young core of the team and a young up and coming LHD in return.

Not too familiar with the what the Avs' forward lines look like, but center depth of MacKinnon-Jenner-Soderberg as your top-9 centers can compete with anyone in the central division.

Jackets lineup this season would look like this:

Saad-Duchene-Atkinson
Foligno-Dubinsky-Bjorkstrand
Hartnell-Wennberg-Gagner
Calvert-Karlsson-Anderson

Werenski-Jones
Zadorov-Savard
Johnson-Prout

and in a year..

Saad-Duchene-Atkinson
Dubinsky-Dubois-Foligno
Hartnell-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Calvert-Karlsson-Anderson

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[cgf]

If Murray weren't made of glass. This would be one we probably should pull the trigger on, but as is I pass.

Though I'm very high on Zadorov and he'a finally showing what I've expected him to...earning a shot next to EJ to start this season.

With EJ we already rely heavily on an injury prone top 4 defenseman. Partnering him with another just seems like it'a asking for trouble...even if I do love Jenner.

 

[edguy]

Pretty bad for Colorado i think..

 

[strictlyrandy]

I like Murray and Jenner... but

No effing way.

Seems like a terribly lateral move for the Avs at best.

 

[landy92mack29]

Insert Dubois for Jenner. Ryan Murray, cap dump with only 1 year left and Pierre-Luc Dubois for Nikita Zadorov and Matt Duchene I'd do.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Ask yourselves IF the Avs were going to package Zadorov and Duchene together, is this what they would settle for? They have zero reason to move either other than in a great deal. And yeah, the conversation is Dubois.

 

[El Travo]

No.

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[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

So you wan the Avs to downgrade from Duchene to Jenner, swap Zadorov for the smaller, older and more injury prone Murray, and take on a cap dump?

If you want to discuss Duchene or Zadorov, the Avs will likely ask for Dubois and/or Werenski. Nothing else makes sense for the Avs.

 

[Halla]

Insert Dubois for Jenner. Ryan Murray, cap dump with only 1 year left and Pierre-Luc Dubois for Nikita Zadorov and Matt Duchene I'd do.

why would columbus do that? terrible

 

[Avs44]

For Duchene, the conversation has to include Werenski.

 

[major major]

Ask yourselves IF the Avs were going to package Zadorov and Duchene together, is this what they would settle for? They have zero reason to move either other than in a great deal. And yeah, the conversation is Dubois.

Ask yourself, if you have actual familiarity with the players involved, is this the sort of package you'd go for? Well, yes. I don't think the Avs actually would prefer Dubois to Ryan Murray. The Avs have needed a Ryan Murray type (#2 D on the left side, defensive gem) for a lot longer (and a lot more) than they've needed another C prospect.

So you wan the Avs to downgrade from Duchene to Jenner, swap Zadorov for the smaller, older and more injury prone Murray, and take on a cap dump?

If you want to discuss Duchene or Zadorov, the Avs will likely ask for Dubois and/or Werenski. Nothing else makes sense for the Avs.

Yeah those 210 lb 23 year old top pair D, who only played 82 games last year. Who would want one of those?

You think the Avs would prefer a prospect to that?? Classic HF.

 

[Pharrell Williams]

no thanks

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Ask yourself, if you have actual familiarity with the players involved, is this the sort of package you'd go for? Well, yes. I don't think the Avs actually would prefer Dubois to Ryan Murray. The Avs have needed a Ryan Murray type (#2 D on the left side, defensive gem) for a lot longer (and a lot more) than they've needed another C prospect.



Yeah those 210 lb 23 year old top pair D, who only played 82 games last year. Who would want one of those?

You think the Avs would prefer a prospect to that?? Classic HF.

You're right. No one in the NHL wants guys like Zadorov, which is why big defensive prospects with first pairing potential are regularly dumped for conditional 7th round picks. I'm honestly surprised you guys have held on to Werenski this long when you could have traded him for someone who played 82 games last year.

 

[landy92mack29]

Ask yourself, if you have actual familiarity with the players involved, is this the sort of package you'd go for? Well, yes. I don't think the Avs actually would prefer Dubois to Ryan Murray. The Avs have needed a Ryan Murray type (#2 D on the left side, defensive gem) for a lot longer (and a lot more) than they've needed another C prospect.



Yeah those 210 lb 23 year old top pair D, who only played 82 games last year. Who would want one of those?

You think the Avs would prefer a prospect to that?? Classic HF.

Dubois is replacing Jenner in the trade not Murray.

 

[Crede777]

Colorado doesn't have to trade Duchene so obviously they can ask whatever they want.

And as per usual the Joeydangles trade proposal only really considers Columbus's needs.

That said Werenski or Dubois would only be traded for a center a caliber above Duchene. If he wouldn't be available for a package where the main piece coming back is Murray, that's fine but then that means it's not a viable consideration.

 

[Meeqs]

That is massively in CBJ's favor. Its not even a workable starting point.

The Avs also just got a new coach so it is unlikely to see any changes from the Avs until they see how players pan out in the new system.

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

Colorado doesn't have to trade Duchene so obviously they can ask whatever they want.

And as per usual the Joeydangles trade proposal only really considers Columbus's needs.

That said Werenski or Dubois would only be traded for a center a caliber above Duchene. If he wouldn't be available for a package where the main piece coming back is Murray, that's fine but then that means it's not a viable consideration.

lol common

at best dubois becomes duchene....

 

[johna2626]

Does Colorado need LHD? Don't know their team too well.

I think it's pretty fair, but Columbus seems to be all in on Tortarella. They picked PLD over the consensus #3 pick this summer. Not bashing PLD, because I thought he should go 4th and love him, but he seems to fit Tortarella's system better than Pulju. I also get the feeling that Columbus will keep making moves for Tortarella, and that it'll set this team back a bit. This trade would be great, but I don't think Tortarella goes for it

 

[a mangy Meowth]

That said Werenski or Dubois would only be traded for a center a caliber above Duchene.

What a joke

 

[tucker3434]

I don't see any reason for the Avs to try to upgrade Zadorov. He just started the season on the top pairing, finishing corsi-positive with an assist. Why downgrade another's position when Zadorov might end up being the help we need?

 

[Ivan13]

Colorado doesn't have to trade Duchene so obviously they can ask whatever they want.

And as per usual the Joeydangles trade proposal only really considers Columbus's needs.

That said Werenski or Dubois would only be traded for a center a caliber above Duchene. If he wouldn't be available for a package where the main piece coming back is Murray, that's fine but then that means it's not a viable consideration.

FYI Duchene is the 7th highest ES point scorer since the last lockout, if PLD becomes close as good you guys should be pretty damn happy.

 

[Crede777]

lol common

at best dubois becomes duchene....

Aves are completely justified in asking whatever they want for him and he is a fan favorite, but if CBJ go all in it will be for a guy a bit better.

And I think it is reasonable to expect 60 points from Dubois in addition to elite defensive play. But that's beside the point. If Duchene isn't available, he isn't available.

 

[LordNeverLose]

Aves are completely justified in asking whatever they want for him and he is a fan favorite, but if CBJ go all in it will be for a guy a bit better.

And I think it is reasonable to expect 60 points from Dubois in addition to elite defensive play. But that's beside the point. If Duchene isn't available, he isn't available.

The list of 60pt C's last season:

Crosby
Thornton
Pavelski
Kuznetsov
Kopitar
Seguin
Tavares
Backstrom
Bergeron
Giroux
Stamkos
Spezza
Monahan
Krejci
Getzlaf
Carter
Scheiffele
O'Reilly
Johansen

Bolded are guys who are elite defensively. So that is who you expect PLD to become?

 

[Crede777]

The list of 60pt C's last season:

Crosby
Thornton
Pavelski
Kuznetsov
Kopitar
Seguin
Tavares
Backstrom
Bergeron
Giroux
Stamkos
Spezza
Monahan
Krejci
Getzlaf
Carter
Scheiffele
O'Reilly
Johansen

Bolded are guys who are elite defensively. So that is who you expect PLD to become?

Yes and I'm one of the disappointed, pessimistic CBJ fans.

Not that I necessarily think PLD will be better than Duchene. But just if the CBJ were to go all in on a trade (and by necessity moving either PLD or Werenski would constitute going "all in"), then it needs to be for a franchise changer not just a 10 point step up from the 50 points we get with Dubinsky.

Nor do I think Colorado needs to or should move Duchene.

It seems to me fine to say that the OP's proposal is ludicrous, Colorado has no interest in moving Duchene, and Columbus has no interest in moving PLD or Werenski.

 

[Lemonlimey]

Avalanche get a top-pairing LHD and a heart and soul kind of player that scored 30g last season.

doesn't that kinda describe zadorov and duchene?