Value of: Jack Rathbone

[Johnsie19]

Rathbone is a solid prospect. I think he easily has top 4 potential. Great skater, high skilled player, has had a bit of bad luck with being a black ace during Covid and not getting a lot of burn. Canucks have Hughes and OEL ahead of him so there is no place for him to excel offensively and I do think he can be an NHL PP QB.

Who are som comparable RD prospects, maybe preferably with more defensive acumen to partner with Hughes or OEL in the future.

Here are some names (some would require an add, let me know what you think)

Schneider
Lundqvist
Iorio
Ceulemans
Morrow
Grans
Faber
Bernard Docker

Any other ideas?

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[stevo61]

Rathbone is a solid prospect. I think he easily has top 4 potential. Great skater, high skilled player, has had a bit of bad luck with being a black ace during Covid and not getting a lot of burn. Canucks have Hughes and OEL ahead of him so there is no place for him to excel offensively and I do think he can be an NHL PP QB.

Who are som comparable RD prospects, maybe preferably with more defensive acumen to partner with Hughes or OEL in the future.

Here are some names (some would require an add, let me know what you think)

Schneider
Lundqvist
Iorio
Ceulemans
Morrow
Grans
Faber
Bernard Docker

Any other ideas?

Most teams are looking for RD prospects more than LD so why would they do a comparable swap? Columbus for example wouldn't entertain this for a second

 

[Stewie Griffin]

As someone who tries my best to keep up with prospects across the league, I think each of the prospects you listed are more valuable than Rathbone either due to age, current development, or draft pedigree (and some a combination of all of those).

I've said this in many threads, but prospect for prospect trades rarely happen. When they do, it's for a change of scenery, none of which these warrant. Prospects get used in packages for proven assets, no one ever goes out of there way to trade for a prospect.

 

[Johnsie19]

Most teams are looking for RD prospects more than LD so why would they do a comparable swap? Columbus for example wouldn't entertain this for a second

Probably true. Rathbone I guess may have more offensive upside for a team looking for a PP QB prospect.

 

[Johnsie19]

As someone who tries my best to keep up with prospects across the league, I think each of the prospects you listed are more valuable than Rathbone either due to age, current development, or draft pedigree (and some a combination of all of those).

I've said this in many threads, but prospect for prospect trades rarely happen. When they do, it's for a change of scenery, none of which these warrant. Prospects get used in packages for proven assets, no one ever goes out of there way to trade for a prospect.

Ya you might be right. Surely there are some guys who don't really have a path to being a top 4-5 dmen on their team though. Or the team would want a more offensive player no?

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Ya you might be right. Surely there are some guys who don't really have a path to being a top 4-5 dmen on their team though. Or the team would want a more offensive player no?

Off the top of my head, NYR is the team that has "too many" RHD with Fox and Trouba proven there, and Lundkvist, Schneider, etc. fighting for spots, but they wouldn't need an offensive dman like Rathbone. As more mobile/offensive defenseman come into the league, it's actually starting to get harder to find top-4 quality physical two-way dmen then it is offensive puck movers. Look at teams like NYR, OTT, VAN, etc. who are trying to find shutdown guys to pair with their offensive ones.

 

[Djp]

As someone who tries my best to keep up with prospects across the league, I think each of the prospects you listed are more valuable than Rathbone either due to age, current development, or draft pedigree (and some a combination of all of those).

I've said this in many threads, but prospect for prospect trades rarely happen. When they do, it's for a change of scenery, none of which these warrant. Prospects get used in packages for proven assets, no one ever goes out of there way to trade for a prospect.

I ge really agree…but they can be moved because of depth chart changes from time of draft to D+3 yr. you acquired/ signed better player at thst positions, others drafted before have developed or team picked higher they last 2 yrs dropping what at the time of draft your best U23 prospect at this position to being #3-4 on your depth chart

 

[cwede]

NYR cant help with finding Rathbone a new home,
he has nothing on Zac Jones, and NYR also have Roberston in LD pipeline, who led WHL d-men in shots and +/- last season

However, could help with acquiring gifted RD, - Lundkvist for Podkolzin perhaps?

 

[gianni]

I wonder if Bruce Boudreau would consider putting Quin Hughes back to the right side?

Deploying a player on the same side as their dominant hand was a Travis Green thing. Not sure if it's common practice or not, but for some players, I think they're better off playing on the side of their less dominant hand.

 

[jackjohnson]

Rathbone is a solid prospect. I think he easily has top 4 potential. Great skater, high skilled player, has had a bit of bad luck with being a black ace during Covid and not getting a lot of burn. Canucks have Hughes and OEL ahead of him so there is no place for him to excel offensively and I do think he can be an NHL PP QB.

Who are som comparable RD prospects, maybe preferably with more defensive acumen to partner with Hughes or OEL in the future.

Here are some names (some would require an add, let me know what you think)

Schneider
Lundqvist
Iorio
Ceulemans
Morrow
Grans
Faber
Bernard Docker

Any other ideas?

would be a huge mistake to trade him before knowing what we got in Jack. Reminds me of when Benning traded Forsling for a dud. Best to keep him and develop him and see what he can be.

 

[jackjohnson]

NYR cant help with finding Rathbone a new home,
he has nothing on Zac Jones, and NYR also have Roberston in LD pipeline, who led WHL d-men in shots and +/- last season

However, could help with acquiring gifted RD, - Lundkvist for Podkolzin perhaps?

In your dreams bud. We love Podkolzin and his value is only increasing. I would only trade him to you guys if we can get Fox

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Rathbone is a solid prospect. I think he easily has top 4 potential. Great skater, high skilled player, has had a bit of bad luck with being a black ace during Covid and not getting a lot of burn. Canucks have Hughes and OEL ahead of him so there is no place for him to excel offensively and I do think he can be an NHL PP QB.

Who are som comparable RD prospects, maybe preferably with more defensive acumen to partner with Hughes or OEL in the future.

Here are some names (some would require an add, let me know what you think)

Schneider
Lundqvist
Iorio
Ceulemans
Morrow
Grans
Faber
Bernard Docker

Any other ideas?

Boudreau is excited to play Rathbone and have him in the lineup when he gets back from injury. He’s going to be a stud, Green doesn’t know how to develop defense.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

NYR cant help with finding Rathbone a new home,
he has nothing on Zac Jones, and NYR also have Roberston in LD pipeline, who led WHL d-men in shots and +/- last season

However, could help with acquiring gifted RD, - Lundkvist for Podkolzin perhaps?

No sir, Podkolzin is untouchable. He’s getting better every game and going to be a top 6 powerforward sniper for a long time

 

[jackjohnson]

As someone who tries my best to keep up with prospects across the league, I think each of the prospects you listed are more valuable than Rathbone either due to age, current development, or draft pedigree (and some a combination of all of those).

I've said this in many threads, but prospect for prospect trades rarely happen. When they do, it's for a change of scenery, none of which these warrant. Prospects get used in packages for proven assets, no one ever goes out of there way to trade for a prospect.

Maybe they are more valuable than Rathbone now but that might not hild true in the future. Example: Forsling for Clendenning. Now Forsling is considered a top pairing D man in FLA.

 

[BCNate]

NYR cant help with finding Rathbone a new home,
he has nothing on Zac Jones, and NYR also have Roberston in LD pipeline, who led WHL d-men in shots and +/- last season

However, could help with acquiring gifted RD, - Lundkvist for Podkolzin perhaps?

Lundkvist would be a nice add, but similar to Schnieder, I can't see the Canucks dealing Podkolzin. He is looking like a big piece of the team going forward.


(I would do Podkolzin for Schneider though)

 

[BCNate]

I'd use Rathbone as a piece to try and get Mayfield from the Isles. Not sure we have a good enough 2nd chip to get it done though. He will get a huge return at eth deadline from a contender.

 

[CherryToke]

Boudreau is excited to play Rathbone and have him in the lineup when he gets back from injury. He’s going to be a stud, Green doesn’t know how to develop defense.

Green doesn’t know how to develop anything but a bad culture

Need to let BB work with Rathbone to see what we have before entertaining a trade

 

[nucksflailtogether]

NYR cant help with finding Rathbone a new home,
he has nothing on Zac Jones, and NYR also have Roberston in LD pipeline, who led WHL d-men in shots and +/- last season

However, could help with acquiring gifted RD, - Lundkvist for Podkolzin perhaps?

Gtfo

 

[Paddys Pub]

Lundkvist would be a nice add, but similar to Schnieder, I can't see the Canucks dealing Podkolzin. He is looking like a big piece of the team going forward.


(I would do Podkolzin for Schneider though)

Schneider is super overrated on these boards. The only reason he has this hype is because he is a RHD.
Podkolzin have MUCH more value than Schneider.

 

[BCNate]

Schneider is super overrated on these boards. The only reason he has this hype is because he is a RHD.
Podkolzin have MUCH more value than Schneider.

Big, mobile, physical RD. Was a top 20 pick, who has dominated the WHL, Been excellent for the WJC team, and in the AHL, and made Canada's World Championship team last year. Projects to be a solid top 4 RD in the NHL, with potential top paring potential. He is easily one of the top 5 RD prospects out there. Whether you'd deal Pods for him is one thing (i'm not sure I 100% would either), but saying he is overrated is another. Sure, he could be a bust, but all indicators show his game translating pretty well to the NHL as early as next year.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Podkolzin is a no all around. He is exactly what they are trying to build around. Rathbone and Fox have excellent chemistry so that is something to think about for sure. I think Rathbone and Hoglander for Schneider and Krav would be something great to work around. Would also give Podkolzin another Russian on the team. Rathbone and Fox can build on what they had at Harvard that help make him a Hobey baker winner and the other two are to balance out the deal.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Schneider is super overrated on these boards. The only reason he has this hype is because he is a RHD.
Podkolzin have MUCH more value than Schneider.

Exactly. there’s a reason he didn’t get picked until the 20’s.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Exactly. there’s a reason he didn’t get picked until the 20’s.

Looks like acquiring RHD is not happening at least around these boards. It’s time we try to add picks and draft our own. Or trade up and try to get a true blue chipper in the draft.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Probably true. Rathbone I guess may have more offensive upside for a team looking for a PP QB prospect.

What team doesnt have better options for their PP?

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Looks like acquiring RHD is not happening at least around these boards. It’s time we try to add picks and draft our own. Or trade up and try to get a true blue chipper in the draft.

With these prices from hf fans? 100%