Player Discussion Jack Quinn, RW (8th overall, 2020): Named AHL Rookie of the Year

[OkimLom]

Sens fan here.
There is a fair bit of discussion on the Sens board about trading for Peterka and to a lesser extent, Quinn.

I am just curious as to what Sabres fans think the trade cost might be for Quinn.
I see mention of a 4th round pick in return being mentioned previously in this thread.

Is that legit enough or would it take more than that, in your opinion?

It would take more than a 4th rounder. It's probably not best to value a player's worth at a time when a player's play is at a low point, when he's shown inconsistency. When he's playing on the end of the good spectrum, he's a fantastic player that is every bit much worth his 1st round selection. When he's bad, he's pretty invisible. He's an inconsistent young player, on a team that isn't exactly known for being to getting the best out of the players.

 

[GoodinOsgoode]

It would take more than a 4th rounder. It's probably not best to value a player's worth at a time when a player's play is at a low point, when he's shown inconsistency. When he's playing on the end of the good spectrum, he's a fantastic player that is every bit much worth his 1st round selection. When he's bad, he's pretty invisible. He's an inconsistent young player, on a team that isn't exactly known for being to getting the best out of the players.

Thank you for your answer.
Appreciate it. I suspected that the mention of a 4th rounder in return, was probably a bit of a joke/sarcasm.

Sens fans really like the idea of getting Peterka but we know it would be at a significant cost.
Looking to 'buy low' on potential to fill a need in the top-6 & Quinn looks to potentially fit that category.

One more quick question:

Did Quinn play much with Cozens; was there any chemistry there or did they play mostly on different lines?

 

[GoodinOsgoode]

Are Sens fans still set on running Greig off? Wondering if a deal around those two would work...

I don't think so.

There's been a fair bit of trade chatter around Batherson, Chabot, Cozens and more recently Pinto but for the most part, I don't think many Sens fans would want to trade Greig, unless of course, the return was too good to pass up.

For me, Greig is the type of player that you need to win in the playoffs.
Gritty, a little on the dirty side, go hard to the net, score clutch goals, PK, PP, can play up and down your line-up. He is somewhat like a Bennett type player that will do whatever it takes and will go to the next level in the playoffs.

 

[yasky]

I foresee a swap with another team frustrated with a young player - something like Peter Mueller for Wojtek Wolski back in the day. Taking back a 4th for Quinn even at this stage is unbelievably bad asset management.

 

[TageGod]

Thank you for your answer.
Appreciate it. I suspected that the mention of a 4th rounder in return, was probably a bit of a joke/sarcasm.

Sens fans really like the idea of getting Peterka but we know it would be at a significant cost.
Looking to 'buy low' on potential to fill a need in the top-6 & Quinn looks to potentially fit that category.

One more quick question:

Did Quinn play much with Cozens; was there any chemistry there or did they play mostly on different lines?

Quinn was stuck with Cozens and they cratered our season almost themselves. That said, Quinn has a lot of potential and is not going for a draft pick or a prospect. He would be a package to upgrade.

 

[OkimLom]

Thank you for your answer.
Appreciate it. I suspected that the mention of a 4th rounder in return, was probably a bit of a joke/sarcasm.

Sens fans really like the idea of getting Peterka but we know it would be at a significant cost.
Looking to 'buy low' on potential to fill a need in the top-6 & Quinn looks to potentially fit that category.

One more quick question:

Did Quinn play much with Cozens; was there any chemistry there or did they play mostly on different lines?

They played a ton together, but with Dylan trying to find his way back to the game mentally leading to poor play, Quinn was essentially locked out of producing any chemistry with him. Quinn had better chemistry at the times he played with Peterka, but the coaching staff felt they wanted Peterka with Thompson more.

But Quinn and Cozens had pretty good chemistry with Peterka on a kid line where expectations were low in two-way game in their 1st in the NHL.

When dissecting the play of the younger players on the team, when one is trying to value them, there needs to be a huge grain of salt taken as the coaching staff on Buffalo absolutely sucks. So there is a ton of potential left on the players one could probably pull out of a player if one has confidence in their coaching staff. It’s a big reason why I think Cozens will bounce back to his old game.

 

[Chainshot]

They played a ton together, but with Dylan trying to find his way back to the game mentally leading to poor play, Quinn was essentially locked out of producing any chemistry with him. Quinn had better chemistry at the times he played with Peterka, but the coaching staff felt they wanted Peterka with Thompson more.

But Quinn and Cozens had pretty good chemistry with Peterka on a kid line where expectations were low in two-way game in their 1st in the NHL.

When dissecting the play of the younger players on the team, when one is trying to value them, there needs to be a huge grain of salt taken as the coaching staff on Buffalo absolutely sucks. So there is a ton of potential left on the players one could probably pull out of a player if one has confidence in their coaching staff. It’s a big reason why I think Cozens will bounce back to his old game.

That said, Quinn with Peterka also got their asses kicked in their own zone with McLeod. A lot gets heaped on Cozens, there is plenty of blame for all three.

 

[GoodinOsgoode]

They played a ton together, but with Dylan trying to find his way back to the game mentally leading to poor play, Quinn was essentially locked out of producing any chemistry with him. Quinn had better chemistry at the times he played with Peterka, but the coaching staff felt they wanted Peterka with Thompson more.

But Quinn and Cozens had pretty good chemistry with Peterka on a kid line where expectations were low in two-way game in their 1st in the NHL.

When dissecting the play of the younger players on the team, when one is trying to value them, there needs to be a huge grain of salt taken as the coaching staff on Buffalo absolutely sucks. So there is a ton of potential left on the players one could probably pull out of a player if one has confidence in their coaching staff. It’s a big reason why I think Cozens will bounce back to his old game.

Thank you.
Appreciate the communication.

For what it's worth & I think I can speak for a lot of Sens fans, we do hope that the Cozens/Norris trade works out for both sides. Norris was a very likeable player in Ottawa and flashed signs of being a very good two-way Centreman. The shoulder injuries have really hampered his career and it got to a point where Sens fans were grimacing every time that Norris took a hit, fearing another shoulder injury.
It was great to see that he got through last season without a shoulder injury (I had heard the latest injury was an oblique?).

Through the course of last season, Norris was slowly getting back to his level of play in 21-22, that got him the big contract. It seems that both Cozens (2022-23) & Norris (2021-22) were both able to cash in on huge contracts based on one good season and both have struggled ever since. Both seem to be dealing with confidence issues surrounding their situations.

Hoping this trade turns into a win-win and the Sabres and Senators both enjoy success in 2025-26.
Leafs SUCK!!

 

[tsujimoto74]

Going back and remembering how good/promising Quinn was before the ruptured Achilles, I really am optimistic that a healthy offseason of training will get him back on track. That’s a hell of an injury to recover from, but this is the season he should return to form (if he ever does).

And I’m not sure why there’s so much talk of selling low on him when his value on the ice and as an asset can only go up. It’s not like he’s going to be eating a lot of cap space.

 

[Chainshot]

Going back and remembering how good/promising Quinn was before the ruptured Achilles, I really am optimistic that a healthy offseason of training will get him back on track. That’s a hell of an injury to recover from, but this is the season he should return to form (if he ever does).

And I’m not sure why there’s so much talk of selling low on him when his value on the ice and as an asset can only go up. It’s not like he’s going to be eating a lot of cap space.

I would love it if he approached what he looked like he was going to be. His training was clearly lacking - I've rarely seen a fully grown player that easily dislodged from pucks, that easy to knock down, and that incapable of winning a battle. Betrayal seems like too strong of a word, but man, that kid let us down this past season.

 

[yasky]

Going back and remembering how good/promising Quinn was before the ruptured Achilles, I really am optimistic that a healthy offseason of training will get him back on track. That’s a hell of an injury to recover from, but this is the season he should return to form (if he ever does).

Also a very good point.

 

[Jacob582]

I would love it if he approached what he looked like he was going to be. His training was clearly lacking - I've rarely seen a fully grown player that easily dislodged from pucks, that easy to knock down, and that incapable of winning a battle. Betrayal seems like too strong of a word, but man, that kid let us down this past season.

and in a contract year to boot.

 

[old kummelweck]

and in a contract year to boot.

He let himself down.

 

[MOGlLNY]

I would love it if he approached what he looked like he was going to be. His training was clearly lacking - I've rarely seen a fully grown player that easily dislodged from pucks, that easy to knock down, and that incapable of winning a battle. Betrayal seems like too strong of a word, but man, that kid let us down this past season.

Bottom line is it’s pretty clear he didn’t come to train last offseason. Maybe he was sick of it due to rehab - too bad kid you’re a pro.

 

[debaser66]

this is also on management, that the players to get their rehab program so they are fit for the next season and if their is doubt not to pencile them into the line up as fixture.

 

[old kummelweck]

this is also on management, that the players to get their rehab program so they are fit for the next season and if their is doubt not to pencile them into the line up as fixture.

And perhaps this is one of the reasons why they made changes in their strength and conditioning program.