S1N4TR4
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Sorry for stating my opinion.... didn't mean to cause an uproar. I'll refrain from posting on the CBJ board from now on. My idiotic opinions aren't needed around here it seems anyways. Thanks!
Jack Johnson
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Sorry for stating my opinion.... didn't mean to cause an uproar. I'll refrain from posting on the CBJ board from now on. My idiotic opinions aren't needed around here it seems anyways. Thanks!
Double-Shift Lasse
Just post better
It's not unfair to ask for reasons why you hold said opinion. And it's not unfair to ask again if you avoid providing answers the first time. You want to improve your chance of having your opinion seen as credible, then provide some reasoning. Thanks!
SuperGenius
For Duty & Humanity!
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You stated your opinion. I wondered why you feel that way and wanted some specifics to support your reasoning. Seems like a pretty reasonable discourse to me. :shrug:
I have no idea if Jack would make a good forward, and neither do you. I have no burden of proof. Any proof that we get will come with trying it. If we don't try it we will just never have proof.
In any case Jack is playing well now, and Murray is injured, so I'm not itching to move Jack around. But when his play falls off again, it would be nice to know how he does at forward.
Jackets Fan
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2 goals, 4 assists, and -1 rating are Jack's stats in his last 10 games. He's also been playing close to 30 minutes per game for the last little while. I don't see how that production improves much, if any, at Forward.
He's actually been playing solid D of late, and has been a physical force. He has been looking like a legit, top Defenseman ( subjective, I know ). Overall, he's starting to live up to expectations, and play to his capability. It's not a coincidence that the team is looking better, now that he is playing better. Like it or not, he is our top Defenseman. He eats up more time per game than any other skater for a reason.
As I said, living up to expectations; which is to be a game changer and a presence every time he's on the ice.
He's actually been playing solid D of late, and has been a physical force. He has been looking like a legit, top Defenseman ( subjective, I know ). Overall, he's starting to live up to expectations, and play to his capability. It's not a coincidence that the team is looking better, now that he is playing better. Like it or not, he is our top Defenseman. He eats up more time per game than any other skater for a reason.
As I said, living up to expectations; which is to be a game changer and a presence every time he's on the ice.
Double-Shift Lasse
Just post better
Well, I don't recall asking you to defend said position, let alone offer "proof". But thanks for playing in such a way that makes me think it's probably not worth my continued participation in the discussion.
EspenK
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- Sep 25, 2011
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Jack Johnson -22 this season. Dead last of 770 players ranked.
Reasons to overlook:
He plays a ton of minutes
He faces the top opposition
He has had some personal issues
Most of that happened during the dark period
Almost forgot this one - its a team stat not really indicative of his play
Thoughts?
Reasons to overlook:
He plays a ton of minutes
He faces the top opposition
He has had some personal issues
Most of that happened during the dark period
Almost forgot this one - its a team stat not really indicative of his play
Thoughts?
Cyclones Rock
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JJ has always been a terrible +/- player. Here's an old link...don't have time right now to look further:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/pu...ith-mind-blowing-career-plus-?urn=nhl-wp17111
CBJWerenski8
Rest in Peace Johnny
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I could care less about plus-minus. It is a bit alarming that he is dead last, and his career plus minus is atrocious. But like you said, it is a team stat. So many fluky things could happen. Not to mention he was on a few terrible LA Kings teams.
He's playing some great hockey right now.
He's playing some great hockey right now.
EspenK
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I'm not concerned about his play with the Kings. It is this season that is concerning. I can buy fluky things causing some of his -22 but he has to have contributed to some of that.
You don't end up dead last on your team in +/- several times in your career because of "flukey things".
Plus/minus has two problems with it: 1) the difficulty of separating out linemate effects, 2) sample size. Neither one of those problems are at play when you are dead last in +/- as often as Jack is. We know its not his linemates dragging him down because they get their minuses with him and their pluses without him (otherwise their +/- would be closer to his), and we know Jack does this every year.
All this attention paid to Jack's personal woes - have folks forgotten that he was just as bad, if not worse, last year in October and November?
Plus/minus has two problems with it: 1) the difficulty of separating out linemate effects, 2) sample size. Neither one of those problems are at play when you are dead last in +/- as often as Jack is. We know its not his linemates dragging him down because they get their minuses with him and their pluses without him (otherwise their +/- would be closer to his), and we know Jack does this every year.
All this attention paid to Jack's personal woes - have folks forgotten that he was just as bad, if not worse, last year in October and November?
Anyways, we all know that Jack can, at times, be a great defenceman. We don't stand a hope of getting to the playoffs or anywhere in the playoffs if he isn't on this team playing great.
