Jack Hughes on Igor Shesterkin

[SnowblindNYR]

It'll be 2040 and 15 of the next 17 Cups will be won by a team with a first or second overall pick and people will still be saying BuT l0ok At eDMoNtoN.

Except it'll be "look at Edmonton and the Rangers."

Poor Jack Hughes tho.

There are 1st overall players on other teams that haven't won the cup. This is a dumb argument. You just love hyperbole so arguing about your hyperbole is pointless because that's basically your strategy.

 

[egelband]

Drives me crazy, when people get upset that Mika does DJ’ing and mixing on the side and think that it interferes with his hockey game. As someone also in the music field, have mad respect for that. Lundqvist played guitar on the side. Didn’t hurt him one bit.

As long as his hobby isn't mumblety-peg, I suppose it's fine.

 

[will1066]

Drives me crazy, when people get upset that Mika does DJ’ing and mixing on the side and think that it interferes with his hockey game. As someone also in the music field, have mad respect for that. Lundqvist played guitar on the side. Didn’t hurt him one bit.

Wait I thought you were in insurance

 

[chosen]

Is his voice still cracking?

He fears Shesty for sure.

Now post the video of his face when he found out he wasn't going to be a star in NYC and that he'd be a Devil, in Newark, New Jersey for a decade+.

He's having a real rough time with his life and career.

 

[Rongomania]

He's having a real rough time with his life and career.

I've been over this thread since yesterday. @KirkAlbuquerque was right. Shut this shit down

 

[chosen]

Curious to see if 31 G.M.s would value Hughes over Fox?
I wouldn’t.
Not sure if I were to start a team if I would pick Hughes over Igor Shesterkin?

If there was a draft of all players, I would probably take Hughes right after McDavid.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

If there was a draft of all players, I would probably take Hughes right after McDavid.

I’m guessing you are stating this based on their current ages and not if all current NHLers were entering their draft year?

 

[Machinehead]

There are 1st overall players on other teams that haven't won the cup. This is a dumb argument. You just love hyperbole so arguing about your hyperbole is pointless because that's basically your strategy.

There's no "strategy." It's an obvious statement.

They're probably in the best position of any team in the league and they're built exactly like the dynasties of the last decade.

I understand Rangers fans have trouble accepting it but it is what it is.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

There's no "strategy." It's an obvious statement.

They're probably in the best position of any team in the league and they're built exactly like the dynasties of the last decade.

I understand Rangers fans have trouble accepting it but it is what it is.

If you want to say they have a better chance than any other team that's one thing, but no team is very likely to win multiple cups. It's a rare thing. You just like hyperbole.

 

[LOFIN]

Why the f*** does this thread exist

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Why the f*** does this thread exist

One of the most embarassing threads i've seen during my HFNYR career.

 

[The Undertaker]

Will say I'm on that Hughes wagon for a few weeks if the NHL does the Olympics. We're going to f*ck up the whole entire world. Team shaping up to be insanely stacked. TkachukS. Oh and that childhood bond Fox/McCavoy pairing. D-rool.

USA hockey always botches selections. Prepare for things like Seth Jones being top pair/PP over Fox, Kreider on the top line, guys like Robertson/Thompson/Quinn Hughes not making the team, etc.

 

[LOFIN]

One of the most embarassing threads i've seen during my HFNYR career.

He really lives rent free in some peoples heads. Which is astonishing, considering it's something that was not in our control anyways.

 

[Machinehead]

If you want to say they have a better chance than any other team that's one thing, but no team is very likely to win multiple cups. It's a rare thing. You just like hyperbole.

You wouldn't have said that if I said the same about the Pens in 2007 or Chicago in 2009. It's just because it's the Devils.

 

[Rongomania]

You wouldn't have said that if I said the same about the Pens in 2007 or Chicago in 2009. It's just because it's the Devils.

Gotta bite on this though.

Crosby had prime malkin & prime Letang.

Chicago had hossa/Kane/prime toews/Keith/good seabrook

The devils aren't remotely close to anything resembling those dynasties outside of Jacky.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You wouldn't have said that if I said the same about the Pens in 2007 or Chicago in 2009. It's just because it's the Devils.

I'd say that if someone said that about any team. Plus I hate the Pens more than the Devils. Dude this is not even debatable. If you said likely to win a cup at some point that's one thing, there's no way anyone can defend saying any team is likely to win multiple cups. Plus, recently someone on a Giants message board said they want to get a QB in the upcoming draft because he's having dreams of a dynasty and I'm a Giants fan and told him he's being absurd. You're being absurd and you just can't have any takes without taking them to the nth degree. It's usually funny and charming but like at least admit it.

 

[Machinehead]

I'd say that if someone said that about any team. Plus I hate the Pens more than the Devils. Dude this is not even debatable. If you said likely to win a cup at some point that's one thing, there's no way anyone can defend saying any team is likely to win multiple cups. Plus, recently someone on a Giants message board said they want to get a QB in the upcoming draft because he's having dreams of a dynasty and I'm a Giants fan and told him he's being absurd. You're being absurd and you just can't have any takes without taking them to the nth degree. It's usually funny and charming but like at least admit it.

It's just not that hot of a take, sorry.

The Cup is so hard to win precisely because the same teams win it over and over again. The Devils profile as one of those teams over the next decade.

From 1991-2021, a 30 year sample, 19 different teams won the Cup (counting 10+ year gaps by the same franchise as different teams) and 9 of those 19 won it again. Winning multiple Cups isn't uncommon if you're in the upper echelon, and you're making it sound like it's impossible. It's impossible for teams who aren't good!

If you're likely to win the Cup, which you said is fair, you're likely to win Cups, plural.

You gave a perfect example. The Giants are 1-3 and their QB is getting rushed on half of his snaps. They suck and have an all-time bad offensive line. I'll eat my cat if they win one anytime soon.

If somebody said the Chiefs are probably a multi-time winner in 2018, it would have been freezing cold take. It's going to be hard to win the Superbowl in the next several years because the Chiefs are probably hoovering up a couple more. Every sport is haves and have-nots.

 

[Machinehead]

It was a hot take when I said Robin Kovacs would be a great player. It's a hot take when I say goaltending literally doesn't matter.

This "take" is like reading the phone book. The Devils are absolutely loaded and the oldest guys in their core are 25.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

It's just not that hot of a take, sorry.

The Cup is so hard to win precisely because the same teams win it over and over again. The Devils profile as one of those teams over the next decade.

From 1991-2021, a 30 year sample, 19 different teams won the Cup (counting 10+ year gaps by the same franchise as different teams) and 9 of those 19 won it again. Winning multiple Cups isn't uncommon if you're in the upper echelon, and you're making it sound like it's impossible. It's impossible for teams who aren't good!

If you're likely to win the Cup, which you said is fair, you're likely to win Cups, plural.

You gave a perfect example. The Giants are 1-3 and their QB is getting rushed on half of his snaps. They suck and have an all-time bad offensive line. I'll eat my cat if they win one anytime soon.

If somebody said the Chiefs are probably a multi-time winner in 2018, it would have been freezing cold take. It's going to be hard to win the Superbowl in the next several years because the Chiefs are probably hoovering up a couple more. Every sport is haves and have-nots.

Going back to 1991 is absurd. From 2004 is far better because the salary cap has been created in 05. Sure choose the Chiefs, how many SBs do the Bills, Niners, Cowboys, and even Eagles have. The Devils aren't even that special. They have one young superstar who is below the level of the very top and some other nice young pieces. This isn't exactly Crosby and Malkin. How many cups have the Avs won btw? How about those Bruins teams always in the mix? Washington? San Jose? All great teams that contended every year. Some never won, some won once. You just have to exaggerate everything and be different. And then if you're wrong everyone will forget anyway.

 

[Machinehead]

Going back to 1991 is absurd. From 2004 is far better because the salary cap has been created in 05. Sure choose the Chiefs, how many SBs do the Bills, Niners, Cowboys, and even Eagles have. The Devils aren't even that special. They have one young superstar who is below the level of the very top and some other nice young pieces. This isn't exactly Crosby and Malkin. How many cups have the Avs won btw? How about those Bruins teams always in the mix? Washington? San Jose? All great teams that contended every year. Some never won, some won once. You just have to exaggerate everything and be different. And then if you're wrong everyone will forget anyway.

Those great teams you mentioned that never got there or only did it once had that outcome because somebody else was doing it twice or three times.

If you look at the teams poised to take over from let's say 2025 to 2030 and on, the Avs are probably at the top of the list (I don't think it's fair right now to write them off as having only won once) and the Devils are the very next team on the list.

They're already a top 3-5 team, they're young, and they already have experience.

You're right. I am who am. I'm slightly insane and highly entertaining with it. You're welcome. Thinking the Devils will be the dynasty team in the East for next several years is me being measured for a change. That should be obvious given how much I would like it to not be true.

Just because you're a good sport, here's an actual hot take: the Bruins were never elite. No franchise has been more buoyed by goaltending since the lockout, not even the Rangers. Their f***ing goaltender was 40-6 last year. You couldn't do that in a video game. Everyone said I was a nut when I had them losing in the first round all along and everyone forgot that I was right.

 

[Row I Goon]

Laf ain’t good enough to sharpen Jack”s skates

 

[KevinFinnerty]

I'd pick Hughes over Shesterkin easily starting a team from scratch, and on this Rangers team. we'd be an instant contender with Hughes a 100 point center on line 1 and Zibby on line 2.

 

[chosen]

I’m guessing you are stating this based on their current ages and not if all current NHLers were entering their draft year?

It's pretty straightforward.

If there was a draft of all players now, no matter what other factors exists, it's McDavid first and Hughes second for me, but Bedard could certainly end up the correct choice.

 

[2014nyr]

If you said Laf I'd get it, but dude English is not Kakko's first language.

it's not lafs either. regardless, i'm pretty sure there's some pretty suffocating enforcement of media appearances outside msg for ranger players.

as far as i know there's never been any current player do a longer form sit down interview with traditional outside media or the high visibility podcasts in hockey. this despite reaves being a pretty active media presence before and after leaving, believe strome has jumped on a few since leaving, girardi.

it's never been the most charismatic group, but the lack of visibility on neutral platforms definitely goes beyond language barriers and muted personalities. i have no doubt at least one of guys like fox/lindgren/laf/trouba/kandre/mika/kreider/trocheck/mika would have been featured at some point, somewhere, in the last year or 2. the only explanation it's either expressly prohibited or extremely strongly encouraged to not make guest appearances beyond the standard nhl/msg media.

 

[eco's bones]

It's pretty straightforward.

If there was a draft of all players now, no matter what other factors exists, it's McDavid first and Hughes second for me, but Bedard could certainly end up the correct choice.

I don't know. I don't have to like him but Crosby is as talented as Hughes and is the best leader by example in the game bar none. The biggest reason by far that Pittsburgh has any chance to keep making the playoffs is him. He always gives them a chance or at least if they're getting average goaltending. There's a bunch of others I'd have to think about including Makar, MacKinnon, Hedman, Kucherov, Matt Thachuk (IMO the Panthers are his team now....not Barkov's), Draisatl, even Fox and etc. etc. To me Jack Hughes fits easily into this group among the best of the best but I'm not ready to crown him No. 2 after McDavid.