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[Buds17]

Both goals were awful

Two goals against will still give a team the better chance to win or get a point than one goal for. I'd argue that this was Mrazek's best game as a Leaf, for whatever that may be worth.

 

[ACC1224]

Two goals against will still give a team the better chance to win or get a point than one goal for. I'd argue that this was Mrazek's best game as a Leaf, for whatever that may be worth.

Low bar, for sure.

 

[Buds17]

Low bar, for sure.

Low sample size too.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Low bar, for sure.

He’s played four freaking games……

 

[Dekes For Days]

In every series, we "disappeared" in the last game and getting outscored 15-2 in those last 10 periods resulted in 4 playoff series losses.

We've been outscored 18-6 in the final games of our past 4 playoff series, not 15-2, and if we take away the EN goals, it's 13-6 during the actual flow of play. We did not "disappear" in the final games. In fact, ironically, goaltending disparity has been the primary cause of the goal disparity in those games, which just highlights the ridiculousness of trading away a Vezina-contending #1 goalie before your top-5 team enters the playoffs.

 

[ACC1224]

Low sample size too.

That's all we have.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The first goal was completely on the D. The puck was bouncing all over. It’s one of the flukier goals I’ve seen lately tbh. The second is the type of goal you expect a rusty goalie who hasn’t played much to let in, he missed badly on a timing play and it wasn’t very good, no. Also the D was super weak on the coverage. Dzingel shouldn’t of gotten the inside track.
Still, he made some good stops and overall looked fine. You expect the team to pick him up more than they did, but vejmelka had the game of his life.
If you said before pick drop AZ gets 2, one fluke and one off an odd man rush breakdown I think you take that every day and expect to bury 4+

I think so too.

Two goals against will still give a team the better chance to win or get a point than one goal for. I'd argue that this was Mrazek's best game as a Leaf, for whatever that may be worth.

Low bar, for sure.

Any goalie would have a hard time looking good playing as little as he's played, the guys' been injured and he's our guy so I say let's give him a break. He has lengthy track record of being a good goalie and how he's played in just 4 games for us at the age of 29 isn't enough reason to think he's not likely to get back to the level he's been at for hundreds of games before becoming a Maple Leaf.

 

[Nylanderthal]

That's all we have.

There’s literally years of data on him…

 

[BrannigansLaw]

There’s literally years of data on him…

He does need to be given a fair shake but his four games have been bad. That second goal the coyotes scored was a big time f up on what should have been a standard poke check. We’re really gonna need him down the stretch to be good with all the make up games and Boston starting to heat up.

 

[ACC1224]

He does need to be given a fair shake but his four games have been bad. That second goal the coyotes scored was a big time f up on what should have been a standard poke check. We’re really gonna need him down the stretch to be good with all the make up games and Boston starting to heat up.

I didn't mind the signing and thought he is a pretty good goalie.
If losing to the worse team in the league is the best he's shown, that's not saying much.

 

[Gary Nylund]

We've been outscored 18-6 in the final games of our past 4 playoff series, not 15-2, and if we take away the EN goals, it's 13-6 during the actual flow of play. We did not "disappear" in the final games. In fact, ironically, goaltending disparity has been the primary cause of the goal disparity in those games, which just highlights the ridiculousness of trading away a Vezina-contending #1 goalie before your top-5 team enters the playoffs.

I didn't say the last 4 games, I said the last 10 periods, how the hell did you miss that?

18-6 or 13-6 are better than 15-2 but still terrible. I think the word "disappeared" applies perfectly here but I'll tell you what, if you have a word that better describes how we "disappeared" in those games (oops, I did it again, sorry) then tell me what that word is and I'll be happy to use it if it makes you feel better.

What word is more appropriate then "disappeared"? I'm listening aaaaaaaaaaand ... go!

 

[ToneDog]

Either ask would be too much for even the best of contenders to absorb. Either return also wouldn't be worth it for the Leafs as a contender in its own right if the answer is to then approach the playoffs with a Mrazek/Woll tandem.

I'd look for a Holtby or Halak to replace Soup. Way to risky to go Maz/Woll tandem.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I didn't say the last 4 games, I said the last 10 periods, how the hell did you miss that?

18-6 or 13-6 are better than 15-2 but still terrible. I think the word "disappeared" applies perfectly here but I'll tell you what, if you have a word that better describes how we "disappeared" in those games (oops, I did it again, sorry) then tell me what that word is and I'll be happy to use it if it makes you feel better.

What word is more appropriate then "disappeared"? I'm listening aaaaaaaaaaand ... go!

Allow me - ".....something something barely lost, expected wins.......something something, elite, lost to sc finalists, something something game 7 competed to the end....... that's not how it happened......those were different teams, goalied , expected goals something something"

 

[BrannigansLaw]

I didn't say the last 4 games, I said the last 10 periods, how the hell did you miss that?

18-6 or 13-6 are better than 15-2 but still terrible. I think the word "disappeared" applies perfectly here but I'll tell you what, if you have a word that better describes how we "disappeared" in those games (oops, I did it again, sorry) then tell me what that word is and I'll be happy to use it if it makes you feel better.

What word is more appropriate then "disappeared"? I'm listening aaaaaaaaaaand ... go!

How many of those 6 goals were scored in garbage time too? I know at least Nylander’s goal in Game 7 was basically when Montreal put it away 3-0.

 

[Brown Dog]

Based on what? I swear people here don’t pay attention to anything outside the leafs sphere. Mrazek is a good goalie signed to a good deal.

He's only played a handful of games because of injury, hasn't played great in those games, will be a year older, and presumably nobody else wanted him at that contract a year ago. I don't see a demand (hope I'm wrong).

 

[Buds17]

That's all we have.

Of course. As such, a grain of salt... I thought he would have played in more games by now. That opportunity will be forthcoming.

 

[Nylanderthal]

He's only played a handful of games because of injury, hasn't played great in those games, will be a year older, and presumably nobody else wanted him at that contract a year ago. I don't see a demand (hope I'm wrong).

How do you know no one else wanted him at that price? We were the only team interested in a 29yo 1a for 3 years under $4m? I doubt it…

 

[ACC1224]

Of course. As such, a grain of salt... I thought he would have played in more games by now. That opportunity will be forthcoming.

Let's hope he's up to the task.

 

[Confucius]

How many of those 6 goals were scored in garbage time too? I know at least Nylander’s goal in Game 7 was basically when Montreal put it away 3-0.

Since when is the game over when you have a 3 goal lead? LOL

 

[Brown Dog]

How do you know no one else wanted him at that price? We were the only team interested in a 29yo 1a for 3 years under $4m? I doubt it…

It's possible he left money/years on the table, but most guys don't.

You call him a "1A for under $4m," but I suspect after this year he'll be viewed around the league as a "backup making +$3m." In a flat cap world, that's a negative asset (again, I could be wrong and would love to be).

 

[Gary Nylund]

Allow me - ".....something something barely lost, expected wins.......something something, elite, lost to sc finalists, something something game 7 competed to the end....... that's not how it happened......those were different teams, goalied , expected goals something something"

That seems like a pretty good summary though I'm almost certain that another excuse will be "our goalie sucked". That's one of the more bizarre excuses IMO, is the goalie not part of the team or what?

If your goalie sucks then IMHO, you are not "one of the best teams in hockey" and saying so just makes you sound foolish. Much more accurate to say show me a goalie that sucks and I'll show you a team that sucks.

How many of those 6 goals were scored in garbage time too? I know at least Nylander’s goal in Game 7 was basically when Montreal put it away 3-0.

Fair point. All I know for sure is that everything was fine until we went into the 3rd period against Boston up a goal and since then we've been outscored 15-2 in the next 10 periods in those deciding games. Everything else is just details and Mr. positivity can talk all he wants about goaltending, EN goals or whatever else but there's just no way any sane person with an ounce of objectivity can spin away 15-2 like it's nothing to be concerned about.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Let's hope he's up to the task.

There’s nothing to indicate he’s not? His entire career he’s been a 1A who’s played in more than half of his teams available games until his neck/concussion injury at the end of 2020 (Zamboni game) and thumb surgery that sidelined him last year. Aside from that he’s played in more than half of his teams games each season he’s been a pro.

 

[Nylanderthal]

That seems like a pretty good summary though I'm almost certain that another excuse will be "our goalie sucked". That's one of the more bizarre excuses IMO, is the goalie not part of the team or what?

If your goalie sucks then IMHO, you are not "one of the best teams in hockey" and saying so just makes you sound foolish. Much more accurate to say show me a goalie that sucks and I'll show you a team that sucks.



Fair point. All I know for sure is that everything was fine until we went into the 3rd period against Boston up a goal and since then we've been outscored 15-2 in the next 10 periods in those deciding games. Everything else is just details and Mr. positivity can talk all he wants about goaltending, EN goals or whatever else but there's just no way any sane person with an ounce of objectivity can spin away 15-2 like it's nothing to be concerned about.

This is all true, they’ve been wilted flowers when they needed to be at their best.

 

[ShaneFalco]

That seems like a pretty good summary though I'm almost certain that another excuse will be "our goalie sucked". That's one of the more bizarre excuses IMO, is the goalie not part of the team or what?

If your goalie sucks then IMHO, you are not "one of the best teams in hockey" and saying so just makes you sound foolish. Much more accurate to say show me a goalie that sucks and I'll show you a team that sucks.



Fair point. All I know for sure is that everything was fine until we went into the 3rd period against Boston up a goal and since then we've been outscored 15-2 in the next 10 periods in those deciding games. Everything else is just details and Mr. positivity can talk all he wants about goaltending, EN goals or whatever else but there's just no way any sane person with an ounce of objectivity can spin away 15-2 like it's nothing to be concerned about.

And you knew it was over the second they started playing. Total lack of intensity. Why did they talk about "demons" and such - because these guys are in their own heads and have failed in the biggest games, every time. Not only failed, but looked like they weren't even trying hard ..... at all.

 

[Buds17]

I'd look for a Holtby or Halak to replace Soup. Way to risky to go Maz/Woll tandem.

Fair enough. We'd probably still be adding cap somewhat though, or end up being cap neutral at best. I believe that would even be the case with retention on either of Holtby or Halak, and in addition to either of the deals you proposed with Edm or Col.