Tribute Jack Campbell Discussion

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
But that's a simplistic way of looking at Shesterkin.

That's a young goalie who has progressed perfectly as an elite goalie from KHL to AHL/NHL backup 2yrs ago to fulltime starter last year and then gets 5.66x4 at age 26 for prime ages 26-29. Seems a far cry from Campbell going for a contract at age 30 off of one season as a fulltime starter.

Also, it's a safe bet that Campbell's sv% continues to fall back to the pack.

Good points. So what is your max for Soup and do you think he takes it or goes to somebody willing to pay him more ?? My problem is I don't know if he is Talbot or Belfour and if we give him 5.5x5/6 and he is not Belfour we got another cap problem.
 
Good points. So what is your max for Soup and do you think he takes it or goes to somebody willing to pay him more ?? My problem is I don't know if he is Talbot or Belfour and if we give him 5.5x5/6 and he is not Belfour we got another cap problem.
Safe to say, he's not Belfour.
Can't think of an example of a goalie who is such a late bloomer.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ToneDog
For four years in a row now, we've been competitive with every series coming down to one deciding game but when that game starts, we disappear.
Not only is that not true - which has been shown to you countless times - but it's also completely irrelevant to the fact that a top team in the league is not going to sell off their Vezina-contending #1 goalie right before the playoffs.
 
  • Like
Reactions: NinjaKick
Safe to say, he's not Belfour.
Can't think of an example of a goalie who is such a late bloomer.

I don't mind riding Soup these playoffs and having him walk like Hyman did last year but if the road to the SC goes through TB, Florida and Carolina/Washington, our odds are 50/50 at best. As such I'd hate knowing I could have had Byram, Newhook and a 1st for Soup if we crash and burn in round 1 again. Takes a big set of onions to do it though and I get it.
 
I don't mind riding Soup these playoffs and having him walk like Hyman did last year but if the road to the SC goes through TB, Florida and Carolina/Washington, our odds are 50/50 at best. As such I'd hate knowing I could have had Byram, Newhook and a 1st for Soup if we crash and burn in round 1 again. Takes a big set of onions to do it though and I get it.
Ultimately with the cap bind, unless they move one of the top guys, that's probably what it will come down to.
Hopefully Mrazek can carry next years load.
 
:laugh: Ironic you say that.

If he’s a good goalie on a good deal, why would they move him for nothing but cap space? And how is it you describe Mrazek as stable when he’s spent so much time on IR, unavailable to play for his teams? This has become a pattern at this point over several years.

Your blind optimism is admirable, though.
Because half of a season of poor injury luck doesn’t make or break a guys value? Seems pretty straightforward to me.
 
No rental goalie would ever return that anyway.

Probably not and it is why I would move him if Sakic was desperate enough to pay it. Soup's cap hit can easily be worked in and won't require assest for another team to retain. If not, I would go after Holland and ask for Bouchard, a 1st and a solid prospect. If nobody is willing to pay, so be it.
 
If Mrazek is all the things you claim he is why would the Leafs even consider getting rid of him?
I’m claiming him to be exactly what he always has been throughout his entire career. A higher end platoon goalie, nothing more.
They’re gonna need to move him in the off-season to re-up jack if that’s the way they decide to go because you can’t afford both with the cap.
 
They can't afford Jack at 5-6m and Mrazek at 3.8m and it wouldn't be wise to spend that much on goaltending when 4 forwards are taking half the cap.

If Jack gets close to his asking, he's gonna be playing most of the games. What team with a cap crunch has 3.8m sitting on the bench ??
I figured this would be common sense and didn’t need to be explained around here, guess not.
 
Nah I get the need for insurance, I just didn’t like Mrazek as a candidate. He’s wildly inconsistent and his health has been a concern over the last two years. For that kind of money it needed to be someone more reliable.

I would have been looking at $2M or less. There’s a few names in that bracket that would have been more appealing than Mrazek for the money they paid IMO
They weren’t rolling into the season with jack still an unknown and someone like Halak or Holtby. That was never going to happen. Mrazek also has been very consistent in his career. Aside from a down season in Philly he’s pretty much been a 55% of the game starter with 2.5ga 910sv numbers. That’s worth 3.8 all day every day. He got a discount of 3.8 on short term because of his recent injury history.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Gary Nylund
I don't mind riding Soup these playoffs and having him walk like Hyman did last year but if the road to the SC goes through TB, Florida and Carolina/Washington, our odds are 50/50 at best. As such I'd hate knowing I could have had Byram, Newhook and a 1st for Soup if we crash and burn in round 1 again. Takes a big set of onions to do it though and I get it.
Pretty tough or maybe impossible to get a top 5 goalie.. or any goalie for that matter, I suppose we were lucky to get Maz but that is probably only because we made Andersen available. There just aren't that many good goalies.
 
He’s had a concussion (zambonigate) a bad thumb that needed surgery and non surgical LBI. That’s not exactly anything to be overly concerned with imo.
 
Safe to say, he's not Belfour.
Can't think of an example of a goalie who is such a late bloomer.

Maybe Tim Thomas? I can't think of anyone else anyway.

Not only is that not true - which has been shown to you countless times - but it's also completely irrelevant to the fact that a top team in the league is not going to sell off their Vezina-contending #1 goalie right before the playoffs.

Of course it's true. It's all in the history books already sport, all you have to do is read.

You've showed me something that doesn't exist? And you've done so countless times? Yikes! I had no idea the rabbit hole went down so deep! :laugh::laugh:

They weren’t rolling into the season with jack still an unknown and someone like Halak or Holtby. That was never going to happen. Mrazek also has been very consistent in his career. Aside from a down season in Philly he’s pretty much been a 55% of the game starter with 2.5ga 910sv numbers. That’s worth 3.8 all day every day. He got a discount of 3.8 on short term because of his recent injury history.

Bang on. Based on his track record, there's every reason to think he will re-establish his value as soon as he gets a chance to play some games. So let's get him playing already FFS.

So roll into the season with an unknown Jack and Mrazek who has been injury prone the last 2 years

I think the options were limited. They liked Jack but not enough to 100% commit to him as a #1 so they needed someone in between a #1 and a #2, but better than an average backup. Not too many choices there and before last season, Mrazek had played between 39 and 50 games for the previous 5 consecutive years so it's not like he's been injured all the time. Maybe what they did isn't ideal (with hindsight it for sure isn't) but it's at least understandable.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ShaneFalco
No he's not he's proven it, most recently against Arizona
I’ve strongly disliked Mrazek’s game so far, but he’s only played 4 games for us - tiny sample size. And he has many seasons of playing at a strong backup or even a decent 1A/1B tandem goalie elsewhere. We definitely need to give him more chances.
 
Probably not and it is why I would move him if Sakic was desperate enough to pay it. Soup's cap hit can easily be worked in and won't require assest for another team to retain. If not, I would go after Holland and ask for Bouchard, a 1st and a solid prospect. If nobody is willing to pay, so be it.

Either ask would be too much for even the best of contenders to absorb. Either return also wouldn't be worth it for the Leafs as a contender in its own right if the answer is to then approach the playoffs with a Mrazek/Woll tandem.
 
Of course it's true. It's all in the history books already sport, all you have to do is read.
Except its not true, and nowhere in the record books does it say we "disappeared". That's just your incorrect perception of what happened in the past, that has nothing to do with this thread topic or discussion. If you want to believe that a team that ranks top-5 in the league is not a top team, or that a top team should or would sell off their Vezina-contending #1 goalie before the playoffs start, that's your choice I guess, but it's pretty easy to see how wrong that is.
 
Is someone actually trying to suggest moving soup is the move mid season? My lord this place is wild.
Might as well wave the white flag to the other players on the roster, Matty specifically.. that’s HIS guy. Come off-season business is business but right now they’re looking like a contender with a top 3 goalie, why move off on that? also no one’s offering Bowen byram ++ give your head a shake
 
Both goals were awful
The first goal was completely on the D. The puck was bouncing all over. It’s one of the flukier goals I’ve seen lately tbh. The second is the type of goal you expect a rusty goalie who hasn’t played much to let in, he missed badly on a timing play and it wasn’t very good, no. Also the D was super weak on the coverage. Dzingel shouldn’t of gotten the inside track.
Still, he made some good stops and overall looked fine. You expect the team to pick him up more than they did, but vejmelka had the game of his life.
If you said before puck drop AZ gets 2, one fluke and one off an odd man rush breakdown I think you take that every day and expect to bury 4+
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Gary Nylund
Except its not true, and nowhere in the record books does it say we "disappeared". That's just your incorrect perception of what happened in the past, that has nothing to do with this thread topic or discussion. If you want to believe that a team that ranks top-5 in the league is not a top team, or that a top team should or would sell off their Vezina-contending #1 goalie before the playoffs start, that's your choice I guess, but it's pretty easy to see how wrong that is.

Our last 4 playoff series all came down to one deciding game which means we were obviously competitive and each series could have gone either way. In every series, we "disappeared" in the last game and getting outscored 15-2 in those last 10 periods resulted in 4 playoff series losses. This is all historical fact.

Notice I put the word "disappeared" in quotes this time, happy now?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Nylanderthal
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ad

Ad