Value of: Ivan Provorov

[HeadHuntin]

Very curious what the return for Provorov would be around the league if Philly was to deal him this offseason. Would a 1st rounder + a prospect be too much of an ask from a team like LA?

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[GOilers88]

Don't know how the cap could work but from an Oilers standpoint I'd love to add him.

 

[Tarmore]

6.75 on the cap. Back diving the last two years 23-25

Last two seasons I could see him on a big money team

 

[YP44]

Very curious what the return for Provorov would be around the league if Philly was to deal him this offseason. Would a 1st rounder + a prospect be too much of an ask from a team like LA?

Depending on the prospect sign this kings fan up!!

 

[BannedFromCDC]

Tyler Myers
Nils Höglander
Jack Rathbone

 

[YP44]

For the kings fans that liked my post, what prospect would you part with?

1st plus Grans/Faber?

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

What would Philadelphia want from Detroit?

 

[BrindamoursNose]

We really should only be trading Provorov for a guy similar to himself career wise

Think Brock Boeser-types who are good and have upside, but they've been shaky

 

[BringTheReign]

For the kings fans that liked my post, what prospect would you part with?

1st plus Grans/Faber?

I’d do a 1st plus Grans.

I would’ve included Faber in a heartbeat plus more a few seasons ago, but it is concerning that Provorov’s play has dropped the past two years since Niskanen retired. I’d do a 1st + Faber for Sanheim though.

 

[biturbo19]

We really should only be trading Provorov for a guy similar to himself career wise

Think Brock Boeser-types who are good and have upside, but they've been shaky

Yeah. I think if you're moving a guy like Provorov, you really have to be looking for a sort of "quality for quality" type deal. The more "quality for quantity" sort of packages are how you end up really getting burned. With a player that has the talent of Provorov, i think as a GM, you really need to make sure you're getting back something of real tangible quality to point to as making your club better. Rather than a 1st round pick and prospect that's probably a ways off, and far from a "sure thing". Because optically, Provorov has the potential to look like a really big get for that other team...you need to have something to point at to offset that. Something more than "maybe in a couple years".

 

[KingsHockey24]

Sure; we'll take him.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

What would Philadelphia want from Detroit?

Probably too much for us to give up considering Edvinsson is a stud and unless a disaster happens, one of Wallinder/Johansson/Buium should be able to fill the other Top 4 spot on the left.

 

[ManByng]

We really should only be trading Provorov for a guy similar to himself career wise

Think Brock Boeser-types who are good and have upside, but they've been shaky

This is gonna be an interesting off season for the Flys because of their lack of on ice success. Could we see them complete a rebuild by trading veteran players like JVR, Ellis, Couturier, Hayes? Gonna be interesting to see!!

 

[Kingspiracy]

For the kings fans that liked my post, what prospect would you part with?

1st plus Grans/Faber?

Id probably try and shoehorn someone like Walker into the deal, to help offset the cap

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Probably too much for us to give up considering Edvinsson is a stud and unless a disaster happens, one of Wallinder/Johansson/Buium should be able to fill the other Top 4 spot on the left.

The Wings do need triage on the left side of defense.

A guy like Provorov who would likely cost a 1st plus another solid asset or two might be a bridge too far for us right now, but Yzerman would be silly to walk into next season with this bad of a blue line again.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

The Wings do need triage on the left side of defense.

A guy like Provorov who would likely cost a 1st plus another solid asset or two might be a bridge too far for us right now, but Yzerman would be silly to walk into next season with this bad of a blue line again.

There are a multitude of solutions on the way for our LHD issues. If we’re gonna throw out a 1st ++, I’d much rather see it done for a center, where we have no solutions on the horizon.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

There are a multitude of solutions on the way for our LHD issues. If we’re gonna throw out a 1st ++, I’d much rather see it done for a center, where we have no solutions on the horizon.

Yeah I think your point on center is fair.

I would push back a bit on the LHD issue though. There isn't really a top 4 LHD available in UFA this summer, and there are only so many guys you could pry out in a trade. Provorov is probably one. If Yzerman wanted to get more aggressive this summer, I think you could target a 2C in UFA and a LHD by trading some of our futures.

I personally wouldn't mind us moving our '23 1st with something like top 5 protection if we brought back a very good LHD or C in their prime, but I don't think Yzerman will get that aggressive yet.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Yeah I think your point on center is fair.

I would push back a bit on the LHD issue though. There isn't really a top 4 LHD available in UFA this summer, and there are only so many guys you could pry out in a trade. Provorov is probably one. If Yzerman wanted to get more aggressive this summer, I think you could target a 2C in UFA and a LHD by trading some of our futures.

I personally wouldn't mind us moving our '23 1st with something like top 5 protection if we brought back a very good LHD or C in their prime, but I don't think Yzerman will get that aggressive yet.

Oh yeah, I definitely wasn’t saying Wallinder/Johansson/Buium would be immediate fixes, or even Edvinsson for that matter. I just don’t see the point in giving up those assets to address LHD when we have no solution for center now or in the future.

I get the feeling our 2023 1st isn’t available anyways. That would be a huge mistake to give it up and then end up in a lottery position. Maybe if you protect it from the top 10?

 

[JRichard]

I’d do a 1st plus Grans.

I would’ve included Faber in a heartbeat plus more a few seasons ago, but it is concerning that Provorov’s play has dropped the past two years since Niskanen retired. I’d do a 1st + Faber for Sanheim though.

He was fine with Ellis while it lasted. 2 wins and 1 ot loss. IP +4, RE +3 and 4 pts. Very few games i know.
Look at his partners after Niskanen or Ellis: mostly Braun, Hagg, Gustafsson, Yandle, Seeler, Connauton…
they need to find a decent partner, not trade him.
Unless he wants out.
20ish pick + prospect (unless very good one) is meh to me for Provorov.

 

[BringTheReign]

He was fine with Ellis while it lasted. 2 wins and 1 ot loss. IP +4, RE +3 and 4 pts. Very few games i know.
Look at his partners after Niskanen or Ellis: mostly Braun, Hagg, Gustafsson, Yandle, Seeler, Connauton…
they need to find a decent partner, not trade him.
Unless he wants out.
20ish pick + prospect (unless very good one) is meh to me for Provorov.

I totally get it, but for a while it looked like Provorov would be the type of player that could carry a top pairing. He hasn’t shown that. Yeah, he played with some boat anchors, but it’s going to depress his value a bit versus a package for a true top pairing 1LD which would be a top 10 1st round pick + multiple blue chip assets.

FWIW, I agree with you and wouldn’t trade him if I were Philly.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Jarvis, Morrow, 1st

 

[pit]

This is gonna be an interesting off season for the Flys because of their lack of on ice success. Could we see them complete a rebuild by trading veteran players like JVR, Ellis, Couturier, Hayes? Gonna be interesting to see!!

At the last press conference the Flyers CEO identified a core four of Ellis, Hayes, Couturier and Farabee.
They never mentioned Sanheim, Hart, Konency, Provorov or Hart as part of the core. Flyers management thinks the team is pretty close and has a raft of excuses around Covid and injuries why this roster failed and none of them are due to the tremendous flaws in the roster as constructed.

So unfortunately, as much as I would like to ignore the idiocy of those statements, it seems like most of what you suggest are not possible moves the Flyers would be making. They seem intent on keeping Ellis and Hayes. Couturier and Farabee as well, but I'm good with keeping the latter two.

Pretty dark time for the franchise with no light on the horizon.

 

[JRichard]

Jarvis, Morrow, 1st

Carolina going all in.
Nice offer
i dont know Jarvis much and Morrow not at all but C and rd are true needs.
If Philly feels Sanheim and York can eat minutes then i’d think about it hard.
Helps cap space, helps « deeper » rebuilding.
Most teams (Fla, Car, Col, LA )went through straight years of DNQ, its probably Philly time.

 

[JRichard]

At the last press conference the Flyers CEO identified a core four of Ellis, Hayes, Couturier and Farabee.
They never mentioned Sanheim, Hart, Konency, Provorov or Hart as part of the core. Flyers management thinks the team is pretty close and has a raft of excuses around Covid and injuries why this roster failed and none of them are due to the tremendous flaws in the roster as constructed.

So unfortunately, as much as I would like to ignore the idiocy of those statements, it seems like most of what you suggest are not possible moves the Flyers would be making. They seem intent on keeping Ellis and Hayes. Couturier and Farabee as well, but I'm good with keeping the latter two.

Pretty dark time for the franchise with no light on the horizon.

Careful… I was surprised by your statement. Went back to that presseR on January 27th. he did mention those 4 guys but you got the context wrong. 4 guys were injured…

« I don’t see this as a three-, four-, five-year rebuild,’’ he said. “We have a pretty good core. I think it starts with a healthy ‘Coots’ (Couturier), (Kevin) Hayes, (Joel) Farabee; we would love to have Ellis back. I think as we look at the reality of it, two or three pieces... maybe a little more. The core is good, we just have to get healthy. »

 

[biturbo19]

Yeah I think your point on center is fair.

I would push back a bit on the LHD issue though. There isn't really a top 4 LHD available in UFA this summer, and there are only so many guys you could pry out in a trade. Provorov is probably one. If Yzerman wanted to get more aggressive this summer, I think you could target a 2C in UFA and a LHD by trading some of our futures.

I personally wouldn't mind us moving our '23 1st with something like top 5 protection if we brought back a very good LHD or C in their prime, but I don't think Yzerman will get that aggressive yet.

I think the super weak UFA market this summer is definitely going to end up being a factor in how willing teams end up being, to move pieces to get a solution via trade. They're going to have to be more open to it, because the key spots just have nothing available as a no-acquisition-cost free agent.


Like, yes...Malkin, Bergeron, and Getzlaf are technically set to hit the market, but i think we all know they aren't really going anywhere. Giroux might be there, if you really think he's still a Center...but he's also likely to be pretty narrow in his preferred destinations. Beyond that, maybe Kadri having a career contract year prices him out of Colorado...but do you really want to be the team signing him at what he's going to command for 6+ years? Trochek could be available, but he's going to have a lot of suitors if he goes to market that probably drive his price and term beyond what makes sense. Beyond that, it's quite literally absolute bupkiss. Fringe 4th liner types basically.


Same for quality LHD. Kind of a weird influx of potential RHD available. But in terms of Top-4 LHD, it's like...a very old Giordano might be your best option. Other than that, someone like Leddy/ancient Edler/Zadorov/Cole probably make up that next tier of UFA guys. Which is yikes. None of those guys save for maybe Leddy really belong anywhere near a regular Top-4 role.


So that's definitely a factor to watch for, and think about when looking at potential solutions in key roles on the horizon. Either you pony up in a trade, or you roll the dice hoping you fan fill those spots with young players internally - which always risks rushing guys and derailing their progress out of desperation.