Value of: Ivan Demidov vs 2025 1oa

[General Fanager]

This topic feels like a Habs fantasy in text format

Might as well plan the parade and pre-retire his number. Haven’t seen this level of confidence from Habs fans since they added Patrik Laine.

To be fair, he was rated the best prospect in hockey not in the NHL. We have reason to be excited.

 

[Michoulicious]

The thing is Demidov is a winger. Schaefer is projected as a player similar to Dahlin or Heiskanen. How many wingers in the league provide more value than those 2? If we are talking about someone like Pasta or Kucherov than for sure, but if he's more like Clayton Keller or Jake Guentzel then probably not. If he becomes Nylander than it's probably a toss up.

Misa and Hagens are centers who naturally carry more value than wingers so. Misa is viewed by some scouts as a generational talent who could be similar to Barkov or Eichel, and Hagens is compared to Jack Hughes.

Nobody sees Misa as Eichel or Hagens as Hughes.

Eichel's hype was out of this world at the time... People tend to forget because of McDavid, but what Eichel was doing as a freshman in BU in his D-1 was incredible.

I think Shaeffer will be very good, but there is a very possible world where Demidov becomes a Panarin/Kaprisov level of player. To me it's a toss-up between the 2.

 

[Scintillating10]

I feel like Montreal screwed up not taking michkov. Having 2 dynamic Russians and michkov already an impact player was a missed opportunity.

I would have taken Leonard

 

[Baksfamous112]

Michkov had better PPG than Demidov and played for a team that scored half goals Demidov's SKA did, though...

Michkov couldn’t even crack SKA line-up?

I see the point and I agree but who knows if or when he would have come over. It was well reported that he wanted to be in Philly.

Kinda weird if he really did. Who wants to play for a team that will be deprived of offensive talent for at least the next 3-5 years.

 

[DaPhazz]

Nikishin is the best asset not in America...

Hahahahaha, you said that with a straight face back then or not?

 

[Doublechin]

I would have taken Leonard

1000%

Slaf Suzuki Caufield
Demidov X Leonard

I drool just thinking about how fun this would have been, I'm team Leonard >>>>>Michkov especially from a Habs POV

Matter fact

If I was the one drafting our top 6 next year would have been

Demidov Suzuki Caufield
Leonard Cooley X

 

[Kshahdoo]

Michkov couldn’t even crack SKA line-up?

Nah, he couldn't crack Rotenberg lineup, and it's a praise actually.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Nah, he couldn't crack Rotenberg lineup, and it's a praise actually.

But is it really? Anyway, it’ll be easier to compare their first NHL season next year. I still think Demidov will have the upper hand again as he did this year

 

[Kshahdoo]

But is it really? Anyway, it’ll be easier to compare their first NHL season next year. I still think Demidov will have the upper hand again as he did this year

Demidov will play with much better players than Michkov did, but we still shall see.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Demidov will play with much better players than Michkov did, but we still shall see.

Who? 33 points Laine and 25 points Newhook? I’m not even sure Demidov will see PP1 next year - At least not at the start of the year

 

[Kshahdoo]

Who? 33 points Laine and 25 points Newhook? I’m not even sure Demidov will see PP1 next year - At least not at the start of the year

Montreal's defense is way better offensively, and doesn't Laine have 20 goals in 49 games?

 

[Baksfamous112]

Montreal's defense is way better offensively, and doesn't Laine have 20 goals in 49 games?

With 17 of them being on PP1 yes

 

[MoneyManny]

He's projected to be a top 5 winger in the world?

You compare Misa to Barkov when Misa isn't out of the OHL yet but if someone compares Demidov to Kaprizov after he's lit up the KHL and set records it's blasphemy and heresy? Weird double standards bro.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

You compare Misa to Barkov when Misa isn't out of the OHL yet but if someone compares Demidov to Kaprizov after he's lit up the KHL and set records it's blasphemy and heresy? Weird double standards bro.

I never called it blasphemy. I was asking pretty genuinely.

I literally gave examples of wingers at different skills levels when I talked about Schaefer. If Demidov is going to be a top 5 winger in the league then yes there is absolutely an argument he is worth more than a 1C or 1D in the top 10-15 range. If he's going to be a top ~20 winger in the league (is Keller) then no there is no debate. If he's going to be a top ~10 like Nylander than it's a toss up.

Im not saying Misa will be as good as Barkov but that's who he's compared to when it comes to stylistics and potential. A 2-way dominant 1C. It's similar to how Suzuki was compared to Bergeron, but the odds of him being as good as Bergeron at this point are quite unlikely. I think it's fairly reasonable to say Misa could become a player of similar caliber to Sebastian Aho, but could absolutely end up better than that.

 

[Kshahdoo]

With 17 of them being on PP1 yes

So with Demidov on PP1, its going to be a lot of points...

 

[Baksfamous112]

So with Demidov on PP1, its going to be a lot of points...

Who are you taking off the PP1?

 

[Kshahdoo]

Who are you taking off the PP1?

I'm not the team's coach.

 

[MoneyManny]

I never called it blasphemy. I was asking pretty genuinely.

I literally gave examples of wingers at different skills levels when I talked about Schaefer. If Demidov is going to be a top 5 winger in the league then yes there is absolutely an argument he is worth more than a 1C or 1D in the top 10-15 range. If he's going to be a top ~20 winger in the league (is Keller) then no there is no debate. If he's going to be a top ~10 like Nylander than it's a toss up.

Im not saying Misa will be as good as Barkov but that's who he's compared to when it comes to stylistics and potential. A 2-way dominant 1C. It's similar to how Suzuki was compared to Bergeron, but the odds of him being as good as Bergeron at this point are quite unlikely. I think it's fairly reasonable to say Misa could become a player of similar caliber to Sebastian Aho, but could absolutely end up better than that.

I apologize i misinterpreted your comment.

I think what sets Demidov apart is he just had a stellar season in the KHL beating Kaprizov's record and finishing the year with the highest ppg in the league.

He just did what you HOPE the very best prospects in this draft will do next year. He is what Misa will be if EVERYTHING GOES RIGHT for him. To me, that easily beats any positional advantage one may have. Nobody in this draft class has anywhere near Demidov's real odds at NHL success at this very moment and that's worth a lot to me.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I would have taken Leonard

Glad you are not the GM

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Who are you taking off the PP1?

Slaf at the moment if he won't go in front of the net

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Don't know what the team with 1st pick would do but Habs would not trade Demidov.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I apologize i misinterpreted your comment.

I think what sets Demidov apart is he just had a stellar season in the KHL beating Kaprizov's record and finishing the year with the highest ppg in the league.

He just did what you HOPE the very best prospects in this draft will do next year. He is what Misa will be if EVERYTHING GOES RIGHT for him. To me, that easily beats any positional advantage one may have. Nobody in this draft class has anywhere near Demidov's real odds at NHL success at this very moment and that's worth a lot to me.

Maybe, Demidov played on a very strong SKA team. If we want to project Demidov like that we must also be projecting Nikishin to be at least as good as Quinn Hughes right?

I have no doubt Demidov will be a good NHLer but you should probably reign in your expectations a bit. Maybe he will become a 100+ point player but don't just assume it will happen. It's not like Kaprizov stopped growing as a player after coming to North America, no he continued to improve and become the dominant player he is now. Demidov still has a long way to go to reach Kaprizov's current level of play

 

[Boxscore]

No, the Habs would not trade Demidov for Schaefer or Misa.

 

[Bouboumaster]

The only prospect in the league I'd entertain trading Demidov for would be for Celebrini

That is it, no one else

 

[Crow]

No, the Habs would not trade Demidov for Schaefer or Misa.

I don’t think 1st OA team trades for Demidov either so who cares?