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Prospect Info: Ivan Demidov (2024 5th OA): SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)

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ahmedou said:
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1 goal and 2 assists now.

Are you not entertained!?

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Goals record for U20 hockey player in KHL during a season

1) Kirill Kaprizov (20 goals in 16/17 at 19 years old)
2) Matvei Michkov (19 goals in 23/24 at 19 years old)
3) Evgeni Kuznetsov (19 goals 11/12 at 19 years old)
4) Eeli Tolvanen (19 goals in 17/18 at 18 years old)
5) Evgeni Kuznetsov (17 goals 11/12 at 18 years old)
6) Ivan Demidov (15 goals in 24/25 at 19 years old)
7) Nikita Artamonov (14 goals in 24/25 at 19 years old)
8) Pavel Buchnevich (13 goals in 13/15 at 19 years old)
9) Valdimir Taresenko (13 goals in 09/10 at 18 years old)
10) Mikhail Ilyin (12 goals in 23/24 at 18 years old_
 
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Andrei79 said:
Yeah, I don't prognosticate much in terms of numbers usually, but I don't see how he's not a consistent top 20 to top 10 scorer. He does it all. His hockey IQ is insane, he's a tireless worker and his puck skills are pure Kucherov like magic. How the hell did this guy drop to 5.
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“100+pts” is more indicative of the kind of tier he will be in rather than a numbers guess

He will be an Art Ross challenger in his prime imo
 
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1909 said:
When CJ benched him or took him out of the line up, it was because he was not playing well and was running out of gas because of the long, hard NHL season and he had lots to learn.
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Sorry, no. Everyone here was shocked when it happened. His numbers were great and all of a sudden he got benched. CJ said that he was tired but there was no evidence of this at all. Once he was benched, his play dropped off a cliff.

Wrong pick? Sure. Should've been in the minors for a couple of years? Okay. But CJ did him no favours. I will just say again that I'm glad that Demidov has a new regime and favourable conditions coming in.

Anyways, that's how I see it. You can have the last word if you wish and then we can move on because I don't want to derail this any further.
 
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Main board is taking so my Habs related Ls lately.

Remember when it was sacrilege to even suggest he could be on the same tier as "other" Russian prospects who beat the U20 point records.

He would have torched the record if not for all those games with 11 minutes or less on the bottom lines.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
Sorry, no. Everyone here was shocked when it happened. His numbers were great and all of a sudden he got benched. CJ said that he was tired but there was no evidence of this at all. Once he was benched, his play dropped off a cliff.

Wrong pick? Sure. Should've been in the minors for a couple of years? Okay. But CJ did him no favours.

Anyways, that's how I see it. You can have the last word if you wish and then we can move on because I don't want to derail this any further.

I will just say again that I'm glad that Demidov has a new regime and favourable conditions coming in.
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I'm much less a fan of CJ than the next guy, but Galchenyuk was far inferior to Demidov. There's nothing Galchenyuk could have done. And he did seem to have bad cardio as he always took very short shifts. Players like Bedard, Kovalev wanted to be out there forever. Galchenyuk looked like he couldn't stay on the ice a second more.

Unlike Galchenyuk, there's nothing CJ could do to negatively affect Demidov. He'd be his favorite player guaranteed. He'd thrive under every system, under any coach.
 
Andrei79 said:
Main board is taking so my Habs related Ls lately.

Remember when it was sacrilege to even suggest he could be on the same tier as "other" Russian prospects who beat the U20 point records.

He would have torched the record if not for all those games with 11 minutes or less on the bottom lines.
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At this moment Vanya is arguably the best Russian prospect ever

If he played in the WJC I can’t even imagine the hype around this kid
 
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Kennerback said:
I'm much less a fan of CJ than the next guy, but Galchenyuk was far inferior to Demidov.
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Of course.
Kennerback said:
And there's nothing CJ could do to negatively affect Demidov. He'd be his favorite player guaranteed. He'd thrive under every system, under any coach.
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I don't know. All these old school coaches want players to play a certain way. CJ was miles better than Therrien and I don't think he'd ruin Demidov... but I think Demidov will do better under MSL.
 
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Kennerback said:
I'm much less a fan of CJ than the next guy, but Galchenyuk was far inferior to Demidov. There's nothing Galchenyuk could have done. And he did seem to have bad cardio as he always took very short shifts. Players like Bedard, Kovalev wanted to be out there forever. Galchenyuk looked like he couldn't stay on the ice a second more.

Unlike Galchenyuk, there's nothing CJ could do to negatively affect Demidov. He'd be his favorite player guaranteed. He'd thrive under every system, under any coach.
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You're likely right.

That being said, I think MSL is going to absolutely love the guy. He talks about how he enjoyed playing Lecavalier because Lecavalier could see plays before they happened. If you listen to his coaching conferences, you know he's going to love someone who's high compete, high IQ with elite skills. We already see it with Hutson.

Sasha Orlov said:
At this moment Vanya is arguably the best Russian prospect ever

If he played in the WJC I can’t even imagine the hype around this kid
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I still think its Ovechkin by quite a bit, however after that its between Malkin and Demidov for 2005 post-lockout prospects. Malkin had an absolutely incredible D+2 year that put him in that Ovechkin category, but in terms of D+1s, Demidov is up there.
 
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Andrei79 said:
I still think its Ovechkin by quite a bit, however after that its between Malkin and Demidov for 2005 post-lockout prospects. Malkin had an absolutely incredible D+2 year that put him in that Ovechkin category, but in terms of D+1s, Demidov is up there.
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The top 3 are Ovechkin, Malkin and Demidov

Never thought I’d get over the Michkov fiasco but here we are
 
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Andrei79 said:
He would have torched the record if not for all those games with 11 minutes or less on the bottom lines.
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Demidov needs to score only 6 goals to beat the goals record for U20 hockey player in KHL during a season!

Demidov needs to score only 5 goals to tie the goals record for U20 hockey player in KHL during a season!

:hockey::hockey::hockey::hockey::hockey::hockey:
 
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