Prospect Info: Ivan Demidov (2024 5th OA): SKA St. Petersburg (KHL): Part II

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I don't think they "clearly" decided to go with a player they thought was worse, simply because he filled an immediate need.

Again, no team steps up to the podium thinking they're taking the worst player available.

Just doesn't make sense...when need meets who you think is the best player, you make that call obviously.

It's so frustrating that these same clowns parrot this talking point when it has been confirmed a thousand times over that Reinbacher was going 5, regardless if it was Montreal, Nashville, Arizona or Philly at the podium.
 
It's so frustrating that these same clowns parrot this talking point when it has been confirmed a thousand times over that Reinbacher was going 5, regardless if it was Montreal, Nashville, Arizona or Philly at the podium.

Yeah, NHL front office orthodoxy was always going to hold an undersized Russian who was signed long term and didn't play in international tournaments against him. Some of those factors is why Demidov slid to 5th and why guys like Caufield and Hutson slide.

Doesn't mean its the right call, but FOs are pretty predictable.
 
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I don't think they "clearly" decided to go with a player they thought was worse, simply because he filled an immediate need.

Again, no team steps up to the podium thinking they're taking the worst player available.

Just doesn't make sense...when need meets who you think is the best player, you make that call obviously.

Fair enough, it's just odd they knew enough to grab Hutson in the 2nd, and pass on Michkov/Leonard. I'll circle back in a couple years and see how he is , we can debate more at that point I suppose
 
It's so frustrating that these same clowns parrot this talking point when it has been confirmed a thousand times over that Reinbacher was going 5, regardless if it was Montreal, Nashville, Arizona or Philly at the podium.

looking back at the last 10 years of drafting, that doesn't make it the right move considering how many top 5 busts there have been
 
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looking back at the last 10 years of drafting, that doesn't make it the right move considering how many top 5 busts there have been
Yeah I like Reinbacher well enough (had him 10th) but I've never bought this argument. Most GMs and scouts would have taken Yakupov 1st, that just means a lot of them incorrectly evaluated him. The majority of people being willing to make the wrong decision doesn't make it the right decision.

Jury is obviously still out on Reinbacher, but if a few years down the line he isn't in the mix for that spot in a redraft, then it's totally fair to criticize the pick, especially with Leonard and Michkov (who I had 5th and 2nd respectively) being more projectable in terms of their offensive impacts.
 
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They clearly did that with Kotkaniemi to fill the C position, it wasn't even a secret. I'll give Hughes the excuse about Michkov, maybe they didn't know what he was going to do. BTW you make good points, I just think in some cases they had a bad draft philosophy
KK’s problem was he utterly stagnated. Whether that’s on him or the Habs is a worthy debate but I definitely don’t think they handled him well. For a kid who was woefully not ready physically for the NHL he made some very impressive plays as one of the youngest players ever.

I’m not gonna pretend he was always garbage like people also do with McCarron. KK was awesome when he was on. He was a beast against the Flyers in the playoffs.
 
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KK’s problem was he utterly stagnated. Whether that’s on him or the Habs is a worthy debate but I definitely don’t think they handled him well. For a kid who was woefully not ready physically for the NHL he made some very impressive plays as one of the youngest players ever.

I’m not gonna pretend he was always garbage like people also do with McCarron. KK was awesome when he was on. He was a beast against the Flyers in the playoffs.
Yeah but it’s crazy to see how long of a career McCarron has had. Who would have thought ?
 
They clearly did that with Kotkaniemi to fill the C position, it wasn't even a secret. I'll give Hughes the excuse about Michkov, maybe they didn't know what he was going to do. BTW you make good points, I just think in some cases they had a bad draft philosophy
Hughes does NOT need an excuse. They did not want another small player. And Reinbacher is likely the more valuable player.
 
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Yeah, NHL front office orthodoxy was always going to hold an undersized Russian who was signed long term and didn't play in international tournaments against him. Some of those factors is why Demidov slid to 5th and why guys like Caufield and Hutson slide.

Doesn't mean its the right call, but FOs are pretty predictable.

It was also confirmed that Michkov gamed the process to get to Philly.

Regardless, calling someone a 'needs' pick when every organization who tried to get the pick or had the pick was targeting Reinbacher is just a very lame, stupid, untrue statement.

Especially when it's coming from a notorious armchair scout who literally thinks he's the best scout in the entire world yet has more Ls on his record than anyone here. He's trying to make the scouts and management staff seem incompetent for the decision because he didn't like it.

They've proven their competence many times over and now, from what's easy to gather from what's being said, is trying to diminish all the high end qualities Reinbacher has shown at the AHL level.

I get why people wanted Michkov. But you can prefer a dude without trying to cut down the player they selected instead and the group of people who made the decision. It especially looks more ridiculous when the following year they took Demidov and showed and said that they were always aware of needing more offensive talent in their top 6.
 
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Fair enough, it's just odd they knew enough to grab Hutson in the 2nd, and pass on Michkov/Leonard. I'll circle back in a couple years and see how he is , we can debate more at that point I suppose
There's nothing odd about it.

31 other teams AND the Montreal Canadiens twice, passed on drafting Hutson.

Teams miss all the time, is it hard to believe that they were higher on Reinbacher?

Why does it have to be some grand conspiracy?

Only time will tell if they made the right decision. But you don't judge a marathon by who got off to the fastest start.
 
There's nothing odd about it.

31 other teams AND the Montreal Canadiens thrice, passed on drafting Hutson.

Teams miss all the time, is it hard to believe that they were higher on Reinbacher?

Why does it have to be some grand conspiracy?

Only time will tell if they made the right decision. But you don't judge a marathon by who got off to the fastest start.

Fixed. And teams still didn't learn because Cole Hutson still went 43rd last year.
 
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I get your overall point but in terms of the KK draft, we've been over this a ton but Brady was by far and away the most undesirable pick here. I guarantee you were around for it and I say it's pretty likely he wasn't your #1 choice that year.

Guys like Marchand, Point, Kucherov etc would have been picked a hell of a lot higher if scouts had crystal balls. You don't know what players will become, only what you can bank on.
100% this. I remember watching the draft and reading this board as we counted our collective blessings when Habs passed on Brady, and then rolling on the floor laughing our asses off when Ottawa picked him.
 
10/10 teams wouldn't trade Michkov for Reinbacher at this time, so you are incorrect
What does that have to do with what I said. They didn't want another small forward that high. And I am sure many teams would still take Reinbacher (if they don't believe he is injury prone).
 
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It was also confirmed that Michkov gamed the process to get to Philly.
Naturally there will never be a citation or reference because this is an outrageous lie -- which implies impropriety that would get Philly in a lot of trouble --- that's been repeated by people who were incidentally dead-set against drafting Michkov.

Obsessed with being right, this guy never stops lying to push his agenda.
 
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Forgot it was April fools but I was in literally shock & disbelief for a solid 60 seconds after seeing this pop on my feed WHEW

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