Value of: Ivan Barbashev

[Gurglesons]

With the cap hitting 90 sooner that later and how versatile and the style he plays, why would a team regret it? I mean these playoffs have once again shown how valuable guys like him are.

Because players like him typically fall off right around 30. And he already has a cup.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Knights have the room to keep him

I could be wrong but it looks like they only have 3 million with no backup and not counting Lehner. If Lehner comes back, they would already need to clear cap and if not they would still need to move a contract while signing a couple of goalies but I could be missing something.

 

[The Duck Knight]

I could be wrong but it looks like they only have 3 million with no backup and not counting Lehner. If Lehner comes back, they would already need to clear cap and if not they would still need to move a contract while signing a couple of goalies but I could be missing something.

They'll have 3 million in space if Lehner comes back healthy. That's with 11 forwards, 7 d-men and 2 goalies signed. So they wouldn't need to clear cap there unless they want to sign Barbashev or someone comparable. If that were the case Martinez would be the obvious one to go.

If Lehner stays on LTIR it looks similar but they just have to sign someone like Brossoit to backup Thompson. They could use the cap space to sign a depth forward and backup goalie and then maximize the LTIR benefit by using it to sign Barbashev or another top 9 wing.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

I thought $4.5 x 5 would’ve been enough.

But he’s been beasting.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Because players like him typically fall off right around 30. And he already has a cup.

Isn't he only 27? Besides that logic is one of those things I hear so often yet doesn't really seem to be factual.
If having a cup is a reason than how do you explain his playoffs this season or the fact he's only gotten better since winning a cup?

Seems like people always think every 28+ contract is gonna suck but these days athletes stay in such good shape.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

They'll have 3 million in space if Lehner comes back healthy. That's with 11 forwards, 7 d-men and 2 goalies signed. So they wouldn't need to clear cap there unless they want to sign Barbashev or someone comparable. If that were the case Martinez would be the obvious one to go.

If Lehner stays on LTIR it looks similar but they just have to sign someone like Brossoit to backup Thompson. They could use the cap space to sign a depth forward and backup goalie and then maximize the LTIR benefit by using it to sign Barbashev or another top 9 wing.

Has Martinez dropped off? Always wanted him on the nucks. They should definitely try to keep Barbishev, he's been a great fit.

I know I'm supposed to hate Vegas as a nucks fan but there's something about seeing markets that aren't necessarily traditional thrive. I enjoy how much that pisses off my fellow Canadians who sometimes act kind of elitist when it comes to hockey.

 

[StlBill]

Blues fan here who would “unrealistically” love to have him back, I think his market starts at 5 x 5. I think his wife is really enjoying Vegas though, that may work well for the Knights. If they can offload some more cap, him and Vladdy (Tarasenko) are tight as shit. Just saying… They love Petro too.

 

[kcunac]

I feel with Alvin stating a 3C was a priority and the close relationship with Milstein, I think Vancouver goes hard after him. From Barbishev's pov, he gets to play with several fellow countymen which given the times might be a draw, especially if he's got a family.
He also likely gets a boost playing behind two C's that are capable of 90+ points.

From a nucks pov, they are the 5th youngest team that needs to add more solid vets to fill out the core since as of next summer the only two players signed over 30 are OEL and JT. The fact that he plays all 3 forward spots is a plus since he can move around if/when one of Raty, or Linus Karlsson can stick at C.

Contract wise you gotta figure with the cap going up and shitty UFA centre crop, 5+ over 6 years?

If so from a nucks POV our Centre depth goes from EP, JT, Horvat, to EP, JT, Barbishev, while saving money and term over Horvat, while adding, Beauvillier, Hronek and Raty, minus whatever it costs to move Myers to create cap space.

He is not a good 3C option as he is not very good defensively nor at FOs. He is a great winger who can fill in at centre but we should not sign him to be one, especially at the overpayment he will command.

 

[BleedBlue14]

This is my favorite part about him for Vegas. You can plug him in on any line and he'll do an effective job. He's like Stephenson 2.0 with less consistent offensive production. No question he was a huge add for this Vegas team.

That’s his value for sure. Complete adaptiveness.

It’s why he became a pretty heavy fan favorite. The cup run for us Steen- Sundqvist Barbashev was such a good line for us. And then the next season we have some injuries and Barby plays with Tarasenko and changes from a grinder to a playmaker on the fly.

Really great player. Wish him the best, always seemed to have a positive attitude as well.

Sucks to see the Blues lose a lot of their identity guys as we transition from one core to another but as is life.

 

[The Duck Knight]

Has Martinez dropped off? Always wanted him on the nucks. They should definitely try to keep Barbishev, he's been a great fit.

I know I'm supposed to hate Vegas as a nucks fan but there's something about seeing markets that aren't necessarily traditional thrive. I enjoy how much that pisses off my fellow Canadians who sometimes act kind of elitist when it comes to hockey.

Martinez has definitely lost a step since the head injury last year but he's still playing top pair with Petro. It would be tough to lose him but there isn't another obvious way to clear cap. The only other possibility would be Marchessault only because he has a year left. If he's looking for too much on his next deal it could make sense to move him.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

any team who signs him 5+ years over 6 million I feel will regret it
4yrs x5 to 5.5 million feels right after these playoffs

 

[BudBundy]

12 points in 14 games, what a pickup by Vegas

Amazing what you can do when Mark Stone is injured until right after game 82.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

13 points in 14 playoff games now. He’ll get paid. Can play anywhere in the lineup, rugged and shows up when it counts.

he always had the skill but used to struggle when playing with more skill players. when he played in checking role he was able to simplify and was great 4th liner on Blues Cup team. but as he matured he got more comfortable playing with skilled players, as he has shown last 2 seasons.

that said, he is complementary guy and can't drive a line. fits great anywhere but you put him on 3rd line he ain't gonna put up many points. which is why i think that while virtually any team would love to have him, paying him north of $5mm annually is asking for trouble.

 

[VictoriaJetsFan]

Barbashev is awesome

 

[rumrokh]

he always had the skill but used to struggle when playing with more skill players. when he played in checking role he was able to simplify and was great 4th liner on Blues Cup team. but as he matured he got more comfortable playing with skilled players, as he has shown last 2 seasons.

that said, he is complementary guy and can't drive a line. fits great anywhere but you put him on 3rd line he ain't gonna put up many points. which is why i think that while virtually any team would love to have him, paying him north of $5mm annually is asking for trouble.

Yes. You're probably getting his peak, which isn't common with a UFA contract, so if you find the right line for him, he'll live up to a substantial contract. But I hope he gets paid in a way that makes it impossible for him to return to the Blues. Love rooting for him, seems like a good guy and beloved teammate, but I just don't see the contract he'll get making any kind of sense.

 

[StewieP19]

Pretty sure a team will overpay for him 5.75 M per year 6 years.

 

[Bluesnatic27]

I've always viewed Barbashev as a prime target for overpayment.

Could easily see him get the Josh Anderson treatment. The team that has him will love him. And that's good because no one else will want to touch his contract.

 

[RANDOMH3RO]

I’ve wanted Barbashev in New Jersey all season and was jealous that Vegas made the trade for him. I would give him tatars 4.5 million for 5 years. Would be a good skilled big body for the devils

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

5x5

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I said it before the playoffs started and I’ll say it again.

He’s going to San Jose. He will be perfect for the young guys

Sharks are going to be one of the worst teams in the league next year with or without Barbashev. It would be counterproductive for them to sign him to the 5x5 or more that he likely commands and I don't think they'll have the sort of talent to make it worth it. We're probably looking to get rid of Karlsson this offseason and have nobody behind him that will be good at getting the offense going and neither Couture nor Hertl play like Eichel does to get a good deal out of Barbashev. I agree his play style would be a great fit and if the Sharks draft Michkov, having someone like Barbashev would help but they also already have Barabanov, Knyzhov, and Gushchin potentially to help on that front. Barbashev should be looking to get paid and compete before he hits his decline. That ain't San Jose.

 

[PocketNines]

It would be rough for Vegas if they didn't retain him since they paid a steep price to get him.

Zach Dean is an excellent prospect who projects as a Barbashev replacement.

 

[biturbo19]

Vancouver signs him, it's the millstein way.

I still just really don't see how Vancouver is going to clear the cap space to sign Barbashev for what he'll cost...while also still addressing the blueline in some way. They'd already have to move some fairly significant cap just to fit Barbashev alone...at the sort of $5M x 5 range he'll probably command. Especially when they already invested that sort of contract in a similar-ish player in Mikheyev.

He's exactly the sort of versatile Top-9 Forward with some grit and playoff pedigree that teams love to have and will "overpay" as UFAs. It was a bit of a questionmark what price range he'd fall into after a somewhat less productive regular season...but his playoff production with Vegas will bolster his stock and someone is going to pay him big for that. Unless he takes a discount or something to stay with Vegas, or go back to St.Louis for some reason.


I still think someone like Namestnikov is a more "realistic" price point player if Vancouver are going UFA hunting for a #3C Milstein client.

 

[EastVillageBlues]

I think he should have offers in the 5 X 5M range pretty easily. Possibly will be getting something significantly higher offer.

He is at a stage of his career where maximizing earnings probably would be the highest priority, so he will very likely end up on a team that's ready to contend, and has considerable cap space.

I'm thinking Buffalo, Seattle, Detroit, LA, etc, as being the likely places.

 

[Louie the Blue]

I like Barbashev, but he’s better playing wing. He can play C, but that’s not his best position.

I think 2021-2022 was about the pinnacle of Barbashev’s production for a season offensively while long-term he probably is a 40-50 point player.

Nice to see him having success this postseason after being horrendous last POs (to the point where Berube moved him to the 4th line because he was doing nothing).