Its time for George Parros to be replaced

[Yepthatsme]

58.3	Major Penalty - A major penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who butt-ends an opponent. (see section 58.5).
58.4	Match Penalty - A match penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who injures an opponent as a result of a butt-end.
Rule 28).

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

The ironic part about this thread is that after Montreal fans cried wolf about Dube, according to the rules Suzuki should have gotten atleast 5 and a game for this play, or a Match penalty and a suspension. I haven’t heard anyone complain about player safety not looking at this though.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

You're probably right. It would explain Gallagher's reaction at the time. I just remember being disappointed in him because it was a really dangerous play. And if it was retaliation for something Nurse did, it's even more proof that the DOPS isn't doing its job.

I was shocked seeing Gallagher do that, and then I saw it was Nurse and remembered the hit from the game before, but like you, I felt it was dangerous and while I hate seeing hits like that, a guy like Gally has to make his own justice, seeing how the league won't.

 

[ismelofhockey]

58.3	Major Penalty - A major penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who butt-ends an opponent. (see section 58.5).
58.4	Match Penalty - A match penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who injures an opponent as a result of a butt-end.
Rule 28).

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

The ironic part about this thread is that after Montreal fans cried wolf about Dube, according to the rules Suzuki should have gotten atleast 5 and a game for this play, or a Match penalty and a suspension. I haven’t heard anyone complain about player safety not looking at this though.

I can't quite see what happened from so far away, but if Suzuki speared him then yeah, he deserved a penalty and maybe discipline, too.

 

[Yepthatsme]

I can't quite see what happened from so far away, but if Suzuki speared him then yeah, he deserved a penalty and maybe discipline, too.

No broadcast showed a replay of the incident, but it was a butt end to the midsection of Backlund that had him down on the ice. Flames have been buttended twice in the last 5 games, one resulting in a bleeding player and the other with a guy down immediately after a face off. 2 minutes in the box total for both incidents.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Dear HFboards,

Please replace certain posters.

 

[HanSolo]

The players who hit the Ducks in the head would be suspended. Parros loves the Ducks and goes out of his way to protect his former team.

Kevin Fiala boards a guy, gets a game misconduct and kicked out, first-time offender, one of the leading scorers for the Wild. Parros suspends him 3 games! Who is biggest threat to the Ducks getting the fourth and final playoff spot in the West: the Wild.

Coincidence?

Right. That's why he ended Cogliano's run at the alltime Ironman record, right?

 

[ismelofhockey]

No broadcast showed a replay of the incident, but it was a butt end to the midsection of Backlund that had him down on the ice. Flames have been buttended twice in the last 5 games, one resulting in a bleeding player and the other with a guy down immediately after a face off. 2 minutes in the box total for both incidents.

Shame we can't really see what happened. But this just proves our point that the DoPS isn't doing its job.

 

[Notsince67]

Parros is doing a good job applying the NHL rules. People are making him a scape goat for their dissatisfaction with the current rules.

How about this.

Parros selectively enforces rules

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

How about this.

Parros selectively enforces rules

Hated that hit. Knocked Dermott out for the playoffs iirc. And of course no supplemental discipline.

 

[oilers4life]

who is part of player safety other then parros i think the nhl needs to add people who been affected by these hits to the

 

[Anglesmith]

How about this.

Parros selectively enforces rules

Under which rule do you think that this should have been a suspension?

 

[Notsince67]

Hated that hit. Knocked Dermott out for the playoffs iirc. And of course no supplemental discipline.

Now check this. McAvoy cheap shots marner. Hyman responds. Sure a 5 min major is deserved but hyman gets 2 games.

 

[Notsince67]

Under which rule do you think that this should have been a suspension?

You understand boarding right?

 

[ItsFineImFine]

Time for Colin Campbell to be replaced. Nothing is changing as long as that guy is in charge of hockey ops. Bill Daly and Bettman don't seem to push towards a stricter league either.

 

[Anglesmith]

You understand boarding right?

I think so, yes. In the rule book, boarding even says "There is an enormous amount of judgment involved in the application of this rule by the Referees," and this obviously extends to the DoPS as well. To pretend that there is anything black or white about the rule is a bit disingenuous.

Dermott gets injured here because of the way he landed on his wrist. George Parros' team has to decide whether hits like this have carry a high risk of a similar result, as well as how much of a role the boards actually played in the incident. I think the decision is perfectly justifiable that this was not an excessively dangerous play, and that the outcome that eventually occurred was highly unlikely. I get if you disagree because of the amount of discretion, but I don't think you can point to this as a ruling that contradicts the rule book.

 

[Mazatt]

Kotkaniemi's head snapped back in a way that the DOPS in their call on Myers-Armia says shows the head was targeted. It's even clearer in the second clip:

Are you proposing that Dube has a crystal ball and should know that after he commits to hitting him in the shoulder, Kotkaniemi will keep his head down and turn suddenly into the path of the hit? In the clips shown you can easily see Dube commit to the hit when Kotkaniemi is collecting the puck on the boards and has no chance to react when Kotkaniemi turns and opens his body to the side of the net where Dube is coming from. This is an example of a player being careless while not knowing their surroundings, and putting themselves in a vulnerable position that the hitter cannot reasonably react to in real time. If Dube or anyone would be suspended for this it is a sign that players can put themselves in dangerous positions when they know a hit is coming and they will either a) get a suspension from the other team or b) avoid contact in general. Dube catches head purely because Kotkaniemi puts himself in that position when there is no chance for Dube to pull-up or change the angle of the hit.

 

[Giant Panda]

58.3	Major Penalty - A major penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who butt-ends an opponent. (see section 58.5).
58.4	Match Penalty - A match penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who injures an opponent as a result of a butt-end.
Rule 28).

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The ironic part about this thread is that after Montreal fans cried wolf about Dube, according to the rules Suzuki should have gotten atleast 5 and a game for this play, or a Match penalty and a suspension. I haven’t heard anyone complain about player safety not looking at this though.

1) Yes it should have been a penalty. Probably a major. As should Backlund have for headbutting Evans off the opening draw.

2) That doesn't change the facts or situation regarding the hit to the head.

3) You bringing up the spear is to discredit/justify the head shot which is why people don't take it seriously

 

[Notsince67]

I think so, yes. In the rule book, boarding even says "There is an enormous amount of judgment involved in the application of this rule by the Referees," and this obviously extends to the DoPS as well. To pretend that there is anything black or white about the rule is a bit disingenuous.

Dermott gets injured here because of the way he landed on his wrist. George Parros' team has to decide whether hits like this have carry a high risk of a similar result, as well as how much of a role the boards actually played in the incident. I think the decision is perfectly justifiable that this was not an excessively dangerous play, and that the outcome that eventually occurred was highly unlikely. I get if you disagree because of the amount of discretion, but I don't think you can point to this as a ruling that contradicts the rule book.

I doesnt matter whether it was the boards or not. It was clearly boarding that resulted in an injury. There is no interpretation needed. The shot was clear.

 

[Anglesmith]

I doesnt matter whether it was the boards or not. It was clearly boarding that resulted in an injury. There is no interpretation needed. The shot was clear.

For the purposes of boarding, it does matter if it is the boards or not.

 

[RorschachWJK]

Parros himself got a couple too many hits on the head in his time...seems like some functions have been impaired, judging by many of his decisions or lack there off.

 

[Notsince67]

For the purposes of boarding, it does matter if it is the boards or not.

Not for an injury. He hit the boards. It is clear

 

[Anglesmith]

Not for an injury. He hit the boards. It is clear

It is, but I don't think this incident is within the spirit of the rules in terms of boarding. He was knocked over and slid into the boards after landing. To me, boarding is meant to cover dangerous hits directly into the boards. The letter of the law states that boarding covers any hit or push that results in a defenseless opponent hitting or impacting the boards in a dangerous manner. I think if you look at that replay from the front of Dermott, it shows that the way he actually went into the boards was not inherently dangerous: he has room to brace himself, he lands on the ice before the boards and does not have significant momentum towards the boards to create a dangerous collision. More than anything, he seems to have simply gotten unlucky with the way his hand caught the ice. At the end of the day, injuries can happen without a dangerous play, dangerous plays can happen without malicious intent, and these two points tend to get forgotten when an injury occurs.

That's just my view, and keep in mind that I hate the Oilers slightly more than I hate the Leafs.

 

[LeafsNation75]

How about this.

Parros selectively enforces rules

Here is a similar hit last season from Alex Kerfoot on Erik Johnson and it resulted in Kerfoot getting a 2 game suspension.

 

[gwh]

Here is a similar hit last season from Alex Kerfoot on Erik Johnson and it resulted in Kerfoot getting a 2 game suspension.

Thats Aves player going to the boards. Parros has to suspend that.

 

[ismelofhockey]

Are you proposing that Dube has a crystal ball and should know that after he commits to hitting him in the shoulder, Kotkaniemi will keep his head down and turn suddenly into the path of the hit? In the clips shown you can easily see Dube commit to the hit when Kotkaniemi is collecting the puck on the boards and has no chance to react when Kotkaniemi turns and opens his body to the side of the net where Dube is coming from. This is an example of a player being careless while not knowing their surroundings, and putting themselves in a vulnerable position that the hitter cannot reasonably react to in real time. If Dube or anyone would be suspended for this it is a sign that players can put themselves in dangerous positions when they know a hit is coming and they will either a) get a suspension from the other team or b) avoid contact in general. Dube catches head purely because Kotkaniemi puts himself in that position when there is no chance for Dube to pull-up or change the angle of the hit.

I was working on an assumption that Dube had had two seconds to react. I was shown that that assumption was false. You may be correct that Dube had committed to the hit before Kotkaniemi materially changed his position, as the rules would say. However the head definitely bore the brunt of the hit. Maybe it wasn't Dube's fault, but I'm still leaning on the other side of the fence.