Its time for a discount core 4 era!

[therealkoho]

Nylander was a bit rough negotiating but he’s worth that easily. Make MO the captain so I can buy his jersey. 34 is back in the closet.

I didn't hear, did he come out?

 

[Gabriel426]

From the actions of AM, I don’t think he wants out.
Still remembered how he spoke with Campbell after the Habs series like how we will do it next year. The long hug between his dad and him after the TB series. Then how he talked to Woll after the game last night. I think he knows he needs to be better.
Willie needs to play as a C more next season and let him run with it and see where it takes him. He just seem like someone who enjoy having more responsibilities.
MM needs to start following Jordan Peterson, Chris Williamson…. Heck even Andrew Tate and join his Real World. He really needs a mental coach to make him mentally stronger and not afraid of the big moment.
JT just needs to leave. Take one for your childhood team and sign off to any trades.

 

[The Iceman]

The flaw in the can and we will is the game is officiated different in the playoffs.

All the core 4 forwards are super valuable regular season guys when we get 5 PPs a night.

When we get 4 PPs over the last 3 games there is more value to the grinding, smashing, in your face contributors that are not without talent.

 

[therealkoho]

The only way you're going to get these guys on a discount, is if you're prepared to trade them. Dubas wasn't prepared to do so back when he negotiated the first time around.

First up is AM34, simply because he can't be traded after July 1.... if he isn't willing to buy into the "let's make you highly paid, but in line with your position amongst the relative superstars of the league"... then trade him.

Maybe the solution lies in something along the lines of a 2-year deal at $12m -- keeping him under McDavid, for the duration of McDavid's deal. He'd still only be 28 when it expires.

If he wants to set another high-water mark for contracts, then it's time to move him.

That should send a message to William Nylander, who's trade protection isn't overly crippling post-July 1.... which will in turn send a message to Mitch Marner on his next deal.

JT, I'd imagine would be a much simpler negotiation given that he'll be at the twilight of his career.

Their identical NTCs all become active on July 1st 2023 fyi.

 

[Legion34]

The idiocy of believing that Tavares would have taken 8 million when he was offered 13 is unreal

 

[Aashir]

There was no option of signing him for 8 he had offers from other teams we had to at least match , Nylander held out quite literally until the last hour and if Dubas had handed him a notice terminating his team payed insurance policy and told him next years offer will be 500k less , enjoy your year in Sweden then there would be no 11 million dollar players on this team , in fact there would only be two 7.5 -8 million dollar guys and one 5 million dollar guy . Twenty million for 3 young studs is way better than 40 million for 3 and JT who we really didn't need after a great season .

I always say it, if Tavares wanted to come home, he should’ve taken a discount. We shouldn’t have had to match, we should’ve been allowed to give him 2-3 million less. 8-9 should’ve been what he came here for. Otherwise, he didn’t come home, he just came to the biggest team that wanted to pay him. There was no sense of team from that moment

 

[Martin Skoula]

Wow 8.4 million dollars? That’s like.. a whole Kerfoot + Holl + Murray…

I don’t understand where the whole “we can’t afford a supporting cast” comes from, we have 3 5+ million dollar D and had a more expensive bottom 6 than Tampa or Boston. We can afford depth, or even a big splash like Pietrangelo if he wanted to come here (Brodie’s 5 + Kerfoot’s 3.5 + 1.5 mil filler player = AP 8.8 + 2 league min forwards), we just spend that money on the wrong players.

The issue isn’t that the DrAmAtIc and UnPrEcEdEnTeD overpayments made us only able to afford Simmonds, it’s that we gave that money to Simmonds instead of Perry, we rented Foligno instead of Paul, etc.

Minnesota and Florida are fine with 10s of millions of wasted cap in penalties and bad contracts, complaining about “8 mil” in overpayments is hilarious. Anyone we wanted we could afford, management just wanted the wrong guys. Even at this deadline, having McCabe signed for cheap is nice in the big picture but even a rental Orlov on the back end would have made a huge difference in our breakout and getting shots through from the point. I think if we trade deadlines with Boston we’d be studying tape of Carolina right now.

 

[sunstersun]

bro the leafs failed to even be this good lool

They won ONE round in 5 years

The only expectations we exceed is in misery.

 

[stealth1]

Wow 8.4 million dollars? That’s like.. a whole Kerfoot + Holl + Murray…

I don’t understand where the whole “we can’t afford a supporting cast” comes from, we have 3 5+ million dollar D and had a more expensive bottom 6 than Tampa or Boston. We can afford depth, or even a big splash like Pietrangelo if he wanted to come here (Brodie’s 5 + Kerfoot’s 3.5 + 1.5 mil filler player = AP 8.8 + 2 league min forwards), we just spend that money on the wrong players.

The issue isn’t that the DrAmAtIc and UnPrEcEdEnTeD overpayments made us only able to afford Simmonds, it’s that we gave that money to Simmonds instead of Perry, we rented Foligno instead of Paul, etc.

Minnesota and Florida are fine with 10s of millions of wasted cap in penalties and bad contracts, complaining about “8 mil” in overpayments is hilarious. Anyone we wanted we could afford, management just wanted the wrong guys. Even at this deadline, having McCabe signed for cheap is nice in the big picture but even a rental Orlov on the back end would have made a huge difference in our breakout and getting shots through from the point. I think if we trade deadlines with Boston we’d be studying tape of Carolina right now.

Maybe but the core 4 still have to do more. Better depth is nice but if the big 4 don't lead the way it means nothing.

 

[AuraSphere]

I always say it, if Tavares wanted to come home, he should’ve taken a discount. We shouldn’t have had to match, we should’ve been allowed to give him 2-3 million less. 8-9 should’ve been what he came here for. Otherwise, he didn’t come home, he just came to the biggest team that wanted to pay him. There was no sense of team from that moment

He did take 2-3 million less. It was reported San Jose offered 13M

 

[Martin Skoula]

Maybe but the core 4 still have to do more. Better depth is nice but if the big 4 don't lead the way it means nothing.

The logic applies to them too, paying 4 guys whatever % of the cap isn’t the problem, it’s paying the wrong 4 guys that hurts.

 

[stealth1]

The logic applies to them too, paying 4 guys whatever % of the cap isn’t the problem, it’s paying the wrong 4 guys that hurts.

The worst part is so many want them back.

 

[thewave]

I can see the discount negotiations..

MLSE: We gave you unprecedented overpays, short term contracts in good faith with NMCs. We need a discount from you now.

PLAYERS: Sorry, business is business, we need the best deal for our client.

 

[Aashir]

He did take 2-3 million less. It was reported San Jose offered 13M

11m is not a discount. 11m means you are a top 5 player in the world. Tavares was no where near that level. We offered what many other teams would’ve, just not what ONE team offered. We should’ve gotten him for less than what anyone could’ve offered simply because he wanted to come home

11m even at the time had him overpaid by 1-2 million

13m had him the most overpaid star in sports

 

[Mehar]

Tavares has a Full No Movement Clause in his deal, so this team will be stuck with him for two more years. I doubt they move Marner and Matthews, so that leaves Nylander the guy who you can move. That is also the guy I would look to deal this off-season, to bring in a different dynamic to the team.

 

[thewave]

Tavares has a Full No Movement Clause in his deal, so this team will be stuck with him for two more years. I doubt they move Marner and Matthews, so that leaves Nylander the guy who you can move. That is also the guy I would look to deal this off-season, to bring in a different dynamic to the team.

If those are the solutions we get, just stop watching and start backing the idea of a second GTA team. At that point the organization is cooked, seriously cooked. They can't make good decisions.

 

[Legion34]

I always say it, if Tavares wanted to come home, he should’ve taken a discount. We shouldn’t have had to match, we should’ve been allowed to give him 2-3 million less. 8-9 should’ve been what he came here for. Otherwise, he didn’t come home, he just came to the biggest team that wanted to pay him. There was no sense of team from that moment

He took 2 million less. He was offered 13 x 7 by SJ and 11 x8 by the isles.

We did not have to Match.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

The logic applies to them too, paying 4 guys whatever % of the cap isn’t the problem, it’s paying the wrong 4 guys that hurts.

I don't think there is necessarily anything wrong with the moves he made at the TDL.

But for whatever reason, the defense did suck hard in the playoffs this year. Years past, not as much of an issue, but this year? Gio/McCabe/Holl and even Brodie at times were far too many really rough games with just basic puck movement and management. Holl was the one who ended up getting scapegoated, but there were more than a few times when Gio/McCabe had rougher games than Holl had at any point in these playoffs.

They were good in the regular season so IDK what happened. McCabe may just be playoff inexperience but Gio/Holl/Brodie have been there before and played much better against Tampa just a year (and a few weeks against Florida/Tampa in the regular season) before.

 

[Gallagbi]

If those are the solutions we get, just stop watching and start backing the idea of a second GTA team. At that point the organization is cooked, seriously cooked. They can't make good decisions.

Im sure Buffalo would welcome your support. You could probably attend more games too

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I don't think there is necessarily anything wrong with the moves he made at the TDL.

But for whatever reason, the defense did suck hard in the playoffs this year. Years past, not as much of an issue, but this year? Gio/McCabe/Holl and even Brodie at times were far too many really rough games with just basic puck movement and management. Holl was the one who ended up getting scapegoated, but there were more than a few times when Gio/McCabe had rougher games than Holl had at any point in these playoffs.

They were good in the regular season so IDK what happened. McCabe may just be playoff inexperience but Gio/Holl/Brodie have been there before and played much better against Tampa just a year (and a few weeks against Florida/Tampa in the regular season) before.

I will just quickly add that it would have been nice to get more out of Bunting/Jarnkrok/Kerfoot offensively. Kerfoot and Bunting did have some clutch moments, and Jarnkrok was generating opportunities and was at least effective when he wasn't putting up points (like Kerfoot), which is not terrible considering he is a 2 mill player.

I don't think Bunting or Kerfoot should be brought back though. Not when you have Knies and Jarnkrok as guys who can handle top 6 LW duties (or at least 2/3 of the top 9 LW duties) plus Robertson and a few other prospects who should have a chance as soon as next year for another top 9 LW job. Both will want to get paid with term and that is not really what we need.

But ultimately, 2 goals out of your top 4 forwards was our downfall... Especially when being "invisible" would have been an improvement. Marner/Matthews had mistakes that cost us goals against too.

 

[thewave]

Im sure Buffalo would welcome your support. You could probably attend more games too

Buffalo Ha-Ha.

They just wasted 5 years where we could potentially have gone all the way if played right. Dubas is a skunk GM, wasted rebuild, all because of one snake oil salesman. I am just sorry for the people that didn't see through his BS off that bat, know what I mean Gallagbi? You know what I mean people that supported the big smiles and the NuHockey bs?

Good times.

 

[ULF_55]

Salary Cap Reality:

When looking for areas to find your discounts/reductions.

Overall Rankings for Cap Hit:

#3 - Matthews
#6 - Tavares
#7 - marner
#69 - O'Reilly
#72 - Rielly
#86 - Nylander

 

[Aashir]

Salary Cap Reality:

When looking for areas to find your discounts/reductions.

Overall Rankings for Cap Hit:

#3 - Matthews
#6 - Tavares
#7 - marner
#69 - O'Reilly
#72 - Rielly
#86 - Nylander

If you rank them in terms of players
Nylander is easily a top 86 player
Rielly showed he is easily a top 70 player


I don’t think of Marner as a top 7 player
No way in hell is Tavares a top 6 player
Matthews isn’t a top 3 player

 

[Gallagbi]

Buffalo Ha-Ha.

They just wasted 5 years where we could potentially have gone all the way if played right. Dubas is a skunk GM, wasted rebuild, all because of one snake oil salesman. I am just sorry for the people that didn't see through his BS off that bat, know what I mean Gallagbi? You know what I mean people that supported the big smiles and the NuHockey bs?

Good times.

What are you trying to get at here.

 

[thewave]

If you rank them in terms of players
Nylander is easily a top 86 player
Rielly showed he is easily a top 70 player


I don’t think of Marner as a top 7 player
No way in hell is Tavares a top 6 player
Matthews isn’t a top 3 player

You could argue Matthews based on Goal scoring.
Marner and JT are a nightmare.
Nylander, ROR, and Rielly are all excellent values.