It'd Be a Huge Rationally Progressive Step To Make Turban/Modified Helmets Happen

[Deadly Dogma]

When wearing a turban, or even the children patkas you see with the little knot on top; they typically braid the hair under it so it would be very rigid and thick. But when wearing this modified "sport" version of patka like in that video the hair isn't braided or anything and can stay pretty low profile under the helmet

so it would work, have a premade turban as the liner. I see zero issue with this
for safety it would have to be custom for each individual but that seems to be the case with all the players now anyway.

 

[FerrisRox]

It's funny, I saw the thread title and saw the word progressive and thought, I am going to hate this...... but its actually a good idea lol

Why would you assume you would hate something progressive?

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Why would you assume you would hate something progressive?

because its usually something that is progressive just to be progressive.
Lacks critical thinking and is often quite racist. The theme is usually this group is less than so they need help type thing.
But in this case its a great idea that doesn't have the theme of less than

 

[ScaredStreit]

As long as it's not any less safe than a traditional helmet I don't see why not.

 

[ijuka]

It's safety equipment. They can do religion stuff where they're not in danger. Do they wear turbans on firefighting missions, too? To war instead of a military helmet?

Sometimes, I wonder where the world is going.

A more useful way to spend money would be to teach players how to tighten their helmet straps. And how to keep their mouthguards in their mouths. Seems very difficult for some reason.

 

[Ezekial]

It's safety equipment. They can do religion stuff where they're not in danger. Do they wear turbans on firefighting missions, too? To war instead of a military helmet?

Sometimes, I wonder where the world is going.

A more useful way to spend money would be to teach players how to tighten their helmet straps. And how to keep their mouthguards in their mouths. Seems very difficult for some reason.

Uh, yes.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

It's safety equipment. They can do religion stuff where they're not in danger. Do they wear turbans on firefighting missions, too? To war instead of a military helmet?

Sometimes, I wonder where the world is going.

A more useful way to spend money would be to teach players how to tighten their helmet straps. And how to keep their mouthguards in their mouths. Seems very difficult for some reason.

The thing is a special outer mold designed to fit over a padded turban would probably have better kinetic impact protection TBH

 

[Three On Zero]

It's safety equipment. They can do religion stuff where they're not in danger. Do they wear turbans on firefighting missions, too? To war instead of a military helmet?

Sometimes, I wonder where the world is going.

A more useful way to spend money would be to teach players how to tighten their helmet straps. And how to keep their mouthguards in their mouths. Seems very difficult for some reason.

Will be an unpopular opinion, but some things are better left unchanged. Especially when it comes to safety equipment in contact sports.

Some things are not worth pleasing a minority.

 

[Lolonegoal]

If someone can design a helmet that works and is still safe then sure. All depends on if someone determines the product as in high enough demand and marketable to make a profit or if someone is passionate enough to design it for personal interests.

Until then if your beliefs determine you have to wear one and if it makes your helmet not functional then you shouldn't play. Sorry, I'm all for inclusion and freedom of beliefs, but the league and sport has taken so many steps and actions towards player's safety from brain injury, to take a step back in order to respect religion is stupid, and it's nothing to do with prejudice.

Again I'd love to see if its possible, but I'd hate to see the backlash if someone received a serious brain injury in these circumstances. I personally love hockey, but can't play anymore due to multiple concussions. Protect your brain at all costs.

 

[SaltNPeca]

A helmet design that's better for people with long hair, people with dreadlocks, or other "big hair" situations would be a great innovation.

I imagine Sikh can wear a patka or non-traditional Turban as opposed to some giant helmet that can accommodate a classic turban.

 

[TooManyHumans]

not hockey helmets but multisport helmets...

'They were excited': Brampton mom creates multisport helmet for her Sikh children

All three of Tina Singh's sons are adventurous, and when they wanted to learn how to ride bikes – the Brampton mom knew they’d need helmets.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

This seems like the solution: a helmet that fits over a turban.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

A helmet design that's better for people with long hair, people with dreadlocks, or other "big hair" situations would be a great innovation.

I imagine Sikh can wear a patka or non-traditional Turban as opposed to some giant helmet that can accommodate a classic turban.

do most women wear their hair up or down?

 

[PuckG]

It's safety equipment. They can do religion stuff where they're not in danger. Do they wear turbans on firefighting missions, too? To war instead of a military helmet?

Sometimes, I wonder where the world is going.

A more useful way to spend money would be to teach players how to tighten their helmet straps. And how to keep their mouthguards in their mouths. Seems very difficult for some reason.

To answer your question, yes - the turban was used for war and now many city services including Police services make accommodations for Punjabi Sikhs to wear their religious headgear.

I’m not sure how you can make this a bad thing - it promotes the sport AND accommodates a group of people who love ice and ball hockey but congratulations, you’re the person who tried.

 

[AvroArrow]

I am a Sikh and my father wore a turban. But he always took it off at home before going to bed, and never wore it until he was ready to leave the house. It is an extremely religious thing but it is not mandatory to wear 24/7. Now there are the extreme devotees who will wear a turban at all times, that is a different story but the main thing in the Sikh religion is to not cut your hair, beard or eat meat.

The reason why Sikhs wear a turban is actually kind of interesting. Hundreds of years ago when the mughals ruled India, they wore turbans as a sign of high class and royalty, they made sure the Indians weren't allowed to, as a symbol of oppression and to classify them as peasants essentially.

When the Sikh leader rose, he requested that all sikhs wear a turban in defiance of the mughals and as a symbol of not only rebellion but also as a symbol of them being higher class themselves. That is where the tradition actually started from, now it has sort of evolved and lost it's original meaning but it is very important part of the religion to practicing sikhs. It was actually a big "screw you" to the oppressors who they eventually pushed back and removed from their homeland.

But the main point, it is not required to be worn 24/7, I know there are obviously some who are more religious than others, who will want to wear one at all times, but there are actual legitimate alternatives Sikhs can wear, which would still allow them to wear a normal helmet.

But being honest, there are wayyyy too many possible hazards of having a turban on, on the ice. The chances of it unraveling after being hit are about 100%, which can further cause lots of other problems/injuries. If it gets wrapped around someones skate, or hands, or even around the Sikh player himself.

The appropriate thing to do IMO would be to request sikh players to wear a "patka" which is a much smaller light head covering, which they all wear anyways. You can still wear a helmet over it, while having your head covered and it isn't a safety hazard. There's just way too many risks to everyone if a player is wearing a turban.

To add on to that, it is considered extremely disrespectful if a turban is removed by someone else, what do people think is gonna happen when a player takes a hard hit, falls and his turban comes off ? There's just too many issues and risks, best thing is just to use the smaller patka head covering.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

If Jagr rocked this, I am sure we can make a helmet to fit a Turban

I am a Sikh and my father wore a turban. But he always took it off at home before going to bed, and never wore it until he was ready to leave the house. It is an extremely religious thing but it is not mandatory to wear 24/7. Now there are the extreme devotees who will wear a turban at all times, that is a different story but the main thing in the Sikh religion is to not cut your hair, beard or eat meat.

The reason why Sikhs wear a turban is actually kind of interesting. Hundreds of years ago when the mughals ruled India, they wore turbans as a sign of high class and royalty, they made sure the Indians weren't allowed to, as a symbol of oppression and to classify them as peasants essentially.

When the Sikh leader rose, he requested that all sikhs wear a turban in defiance of the mughals and as a symbol of not only rebellion but also as a symbol of them being higher class themselves. That is where the tradition actually started from, now it has sort of evolved and lost it's original meaning but it is very important part of the religion to practicing sikhs. It was actually a big "screw you" to the oppressors who they eventually pushed back and removed from their homeland.

But the main point, it is not required to be worn 24/7, I know there are obviously some who are more religious than others, who will want to wear one at all times, but there are actual legitimate alternatives Sikhs can wear, which would still allow them to wear a normal helmet.

But being honest, there are wayyyy too many possible hazards of having a turban on, on the ice. The chances of it unraveling after being hit are about 100%, which can further cause lots of other problems/injuries. If it gets wrapped around someones skate, or hands, or even around the Sikh player himself.

The appropriate thing to do IMO would be to request sikh players to wear a "patka" which is a much smaller light head covering, which they all wear anyways. You can still wear a helmet over it, while having your head covered and it isn't a safety hazard. There's just way too many risks to everyone if a player is wearing a turban.

To add on to that, it is considered extremely disrespectful if a turban is removed by someone else, what do people think is gonna happen when a player takes a hard hit, falls and his turban comes off ? There's just too many issues and risks, best thing is just to use the smaller patka head covering.

So I assume the carrying of a knife relates to the same thing?

I was thinking of having the turban built into the helmet, but I didn't think of the removal factor

 

[Number8]

Why would this get shutdown?


To answer your question, yes - the turban was used for war and now many city services including Police services make accommodations for Punjabi Sikhs to wear their religious headgear.

I’m not sure how you can make this a bad thing - it promotes the sport AND accommodates a group of people who love ice and ball hockey but congratulations, you’re the person who tried.

I was just having some fun with the line in the OP about somehow attaching a visor to a turban. The maturity of HF Boards on this thread has impressed me.

Seriously, I don't know anything about the issue but would have zero issues about a helmet adaptation to allow for cultural headwear.

I did a search on the issue and have learned something.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

I was just having some fun with the line in the OP about somehow attaching a visor to a turban. The maturity of HF Boards on this thread has impressed me.

Seriously, I don't know anything about the issue but would have zero issues about a helmet adaptation to allow for cultural headwear.

I did a search on the issue and have learned something.

100%, hockey is a great game and if we can make new gear to expand to new people, I am all for it!!!
Plus hockey is part of Canadian culture so seeing newer Canadians embrace hockey just makes my heart happy

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

So, is everyone in this thread just going to magically know a Sikh person.

I mean we live in canada brother

 

[Martin Skoula]

I am a Sikh and my father wore a turban. But he always took it off at home before going to bed, and never wore it until he was ready to leave the house. It is an extremely religious thing but it is not mandatory to wear 24/7. Now there are the extreme devotees who will wear a turban at all times, that is a different story but the main thing in the Sikh religion is to not cut your hair, beard or eat meat.

The reason why Sikhs wear a turban is actually kind of interesting. Hundreds of years ago when the mughals ruled India, they wore turbans as a sign of high class and royalty, they made sure the Indians weren't allowed to, as a symbol of oppression and to classify them as peasants essentially.

When the Sikh leader rose, he requested that all sikhs wear a turban in defiance of the mughals and as a symbol of not only rebellion but also as a symbol of them being higher class themselves. That is where the tradition actually started from, now it has sort of evolved and lost it's original meaning but it is very important part of the religion to practicing sikhs. It was actually a big "screw you" to the oppressors who they eventually pushed back and removed from their homeland.

But the main point, it is not required to be worn 24/7, I know there are obviously some who are more religious than others, who will want to wear one at all times, but there are actual legitimate alternatives Sikhs can wear, which would still allow them to wear a normal helmet.

But being honest, there are wayyyy too many possible hazards of having a turban on, on the ice. The chances of it unraveling after being hit are about 100%, which can further cause lots of other problems/injuries. If it gets wrapped around someones skate, or hands, or even around the Sikh player himself.

The appropriate thing to do IMO would be to request sikh players to wear a "patka" which is a much smaller light head covering, which they all wear anyways. You can still wear a helmet over it, while having your head covered and it isn't a safety hazard. There's just way too many risks to everyone if a player is wearing a turban.

To add on to that, it is considered extremely disrespectful if a turban is removed by someone else, what do people think is gonna happen when a player takes a hard hit, falls and his turban comes off ? There's just too many issues and risks, best thing is just to use the smaller patka head covering.

People are missing the bigger issue which is playoff beard envy.

 

[Strangle]

So, is everyone in this thread just going to magically know a Sikh person.

Bruh, I lived in Brampton twice

I know a lot of sikh’s

It's safety equipment. They can do religion stuff where they're not in danger. Do they wear turbans on firefighting missions, too? To war instead of a military helmet?

Sometimes, I wonder where the world is going.

A more useful way to spend money would be to teach players how to tighten their helmet straps. And how to keep their mouthguards in their mouths. Seems very difficult for some reason.

I dunno, if a helmet can pass the regulations and certifications what do I care how it’s made?

 

[AvroArrow]

If Jagr rocked this, I am sure we can make a helmet to fit a Turban
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So I assume the carrying of a knife relates to the same thing?

I was thinking of having the turban built into the helmet, but I didn't think of the removal factor

The knife used to be an actual large normal sized sword, over time and because of legal issues they changed it to just a small dagger. The braclet most wear, used to be a full arm sheathe. Sikhs were a literal warrior class of India, that was the origin of the religion. A warrior class made to push back against the oppressors/invaders and that is where all of the religious items that sikhs wear come from.

Yeah there is no way we can prevent the turban from getting knocked off in hockey. Imagine a playoff game, guys are in a scrum face washing each other, or there is a big hit, or a fight. Like there's just way too many issues and hazards and like I said before, there are already smaller alternatives that sikhs already use in place of a turban.

 

[AvroArrow]

So, is everyone in this thread just going to magically know a Sikh person.

If you live in Canada chances are you probably know like 10 lol

 

[Deadly Dogma]

The knife used to be an actual large normal sized sword, over time and because of legal issues they changed it to just a small dagger. The braclet most wear, used to be a full arm sheathe. Sikhs were a literal warrior class of India, that was the origin of the religion. A warrior class made to push back against the oppressors/invaders and that is where all of the religious items that sikhs wear come from.

Yeah there is no way we can prevent the turban from getting knocked off in hockey. Imagine a playoff game, guys are in a scrum face washing each other, or there is a big hit, or a fight. Like there's just way too many issues and hazards and like I said before, there are already smaller alternatives that sikhs already use in place of a turban.

Is there still tension between the Sikhs and Hindus? Or once in Canada the past is the past?

 

[PuckG]

Is there still tension between the Sikhs and Hindus? Or once in Canada the past is the past?

Depends. Most first generation Indo-Canadian kids/adults born here don’t care at all.

Some of their parents still do.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Depends. Most first generation Indo-Canadian kids/adults born here don’t care at all.

Some of their parents still do.

I can see that, in the summer when I'm out riding the e bike, if I see the guys all parked by the college I stop to shoot the shit.
Its a mix of Islamic, Sikh and Hindu.
Its just like any other group of guys, they rip on each other, joke have fun etc. Usually its about cars lol
Its funny, there is 1 guy they all say is an asshole, I thought it was religious or racial, nope, it was cuz he drove a BMW LOL