Rumor: Isles going after Petterson; Dobson possibly involved

[thefutures]

Lou would wind up moving Engvall, 2026 1st and other random oddball pieces for EP40 and no one would expect it to happen.

Lowballing on here (like what Canucks fans have conveniently done) vs actual trade market are two different things. To say that Dobson doesn’t have the value he does and the Isles are being bandaid together by waiver pickups/cheap trades and can replace him that easy is comical. Unless they’re getting a mid 20s proven scorer who’s not inept away from the puck/in his own zone, it’s not even worth moving him. If anything, the down year and injury helps the Isles save money on his contract and when he bounces back it’s looks even better then it is. You have a guy on here claiming a 3rd pairing LD, EP40 and a 1st gets both Dobson and Barzal. That would be like the Devils offering Jack Hughes, Kovacevic and a 1st for EP40 and Quinn Hughes. It’s borderline pathetic how bad that offer is.

Don't talk about low balling when you post stupid shit like that

 

[Unbiased Fan]

So Vancouver trades away the best player in the deal and also adds their best prospect plus their first round pick? Yikes.

McDavid, who ever there best prospect is and 1st 2025 for Mackinnon and Makar.

Who declines?

Your logic is flawed especially considering those are the islanders top 2 players

 

[MaseOfBase]

McDavid, who ever there best prospect is and 1st 2025 for Mackinnon and Makar.

Who declines?

Your logic is flawed especially considering those are the islanders top 2 players

MacKinnon and makar are miles above Barzal and Dobson , and mcdavid is miles above Petey. So that scenario wouldn't make sense.
All I'm saying If the Islanders offered Vancouver this deal van would not accept.
Maybe something could work around Petey, Boeser and Soucy but I doubt the Canucks are looking to trade Willander.
Pettersson + Boeser (UFA) + Soucy
For
Barzal, Nelson (UFA) + Dobson (RFA)
New York gets the better younger forwards
Vancouver gets the better younger defenseman.

 

[miscs75]

Don't talk about low balling when you post stupid shit like that

You mean like that offer I posted wasn’t as bad as the junk that’s been posted by Canucks fans for Dobson and Barzal? The amount of times I’ve seen EP40, Soucy and filler pieces being offered to the Islanders for Dobson and Barzal here is down right bordering insanity. To say that my offers are stupid yet constantly shoving him and Hoglander into deals claiming they’re valued pieces is a joke. You’re offering filler pieces to dump the fluff off the roster thinking another team will just fold and accept it yet you have other people claiming Barzal (who isn’t available) or Dobson don’t have value on their own. This is the same junk that was posted by Habs fans just coming from another team in Canada. Soucy is your version of Matheson (or Robertson in the case of the Leafs) and neither have the value either team thinks they do. If you want to jetset Carson Soucy, call Chicago or San Jose and dump him there.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

You think we want to trade our 26 year old 100 point center? We're looking for any reason not to. Tonight he looked like the old version of himself, which we haven't seen in a while.

Getting rumored to be going to the Isles can sure be a wake up call for someone to play better to not get traded there.

 

[miscs75]

MacKinnon and makar are miles above Barzal and Dobson , and mcdavid is miles above Petey. So that scenario wouldn't make sense.
All I'm saying If the Islanders offered Vancouver this deal van would not accept.
Maybe something could work around Petey, Boeser and Soucy but I doubt the Canucks are looking to trade Willander.
Pettersson + Boeser (UFA) + Soucy
For
Barzal, Nelson (UFA) + Dobson (RFA)
New York gets the better younger forwards
Vancouver gets the better younger defenseman.

It’s not even that deep honestly. It’s the isles top forward and defenseman plus a first for the Canucks top forward and filler pieces. Just about every team in the league would say no to an offer like that. Would Boston move Pastrnak and Mcavoy or Detroit move Larkin and Seidel for EP40, a prospect and a mid-late first? That’s the way we’re looking at it from an Isles point of view.

 

[thefutures]

You mean like that offer I posted wasn’t as bad as the junk that’s been posted by Canucks fans for Dobson and Barzal? The amount of times I’ve seen EP40, Soucy and filler pieces being offered to the Islanders for Dobson and Barzal here is down right bordering insanity. To say that my offers are stupid yet constantly shoving him and Hoglander into deals claiming they’re valued pieces is a joke. You’re offering filler pieces to dump the fluff off the roster thinking another team will just fold and accept it yet you have other people claiming Barzal (who isn’t available) or Dobson don’t have value on their own. This is the same junk that was posted by Habs fans just coming from another team in Canada. Soucy is your version of Matheson (or Robertson in the case of the Leafs) and neither have the value either team thinks they do. If you want to jetset Carson Soucy, call Chicago or San Jose and dump him there.

I didnt offer anything as the Canucks have no need for Dobson. Engvall and a 1st for Ep40 is worse than anything in the thread. Oh well not arguing with a hypocrite.

 

[miscs75]

I didnt offer anything as the Canucks have no need for Dobson. Engvall and a 1st for Ep40 is worse than anything in the thread. Oh well not arguing with a hypocrite.

Engvall and a 1st was a joke but I guess I need to mark it next time. Soucy however being included like he has major top 4 upside (and value) is a straight up comedy act if that’s what you think is the offset with EP40 for both Barzal and Dobson. This is the same junk we went through with Wild fans who want Brock Nelson (with the notion he’ll sign an extension) but only at a discount rate because of his age and contract status while ignoring anything he’s done over the past 3 season.

 

[Fatass]

I didnt offer anything as the Canucks have no need for Dobson. Engvall and a 1st for Ep40 is worse than anything in the thread. Oh well not arguing with a hypocrite.

Yup. Van has no need for Dobson. Plus, their club is playing very good now the locker room problem has been removed. Don’t see them moving EP 40.

 

[Fatass]

Engvall and a 1st was a joke but I guess I need to mark it next time. Soucy however being included like he has major top l4 upside (and value) is a straight up comedy act if that’s what you think is the offset with EP40 for both Barzal and Dobson. This is the same junk we went through with Wild fans who want Brock Nelson (with the notion he’ll sign an extension) but only at a discount rate because of his age and contract status while ignoring anything he’s done over the past 3 season.

Soucy is paid like a bottom pairing, pk guy. That’s what he is. He’s no good playing a role up the lineup. IMO he has the value of a mid to late round pick. He’d be a guy included in any trade to balance cap.

 

[MaseOfBase]

It’s not even that deep honestly. It’s the isles top forward and defenseman plus a first for the Canucks top forward and filler pieces. Just about every team in the league would say no to an offer like that. Would Boston move Pastrnak and Mcavoy or Detroit move Larkin and Seidel for EP40, a prospect and a mid-late first? That’s the way we’re looking at it from an Isles point of view.

What do you think would be a fair trade involving Pettersson and Dobson ? Vancouver would need a center coming back if they are trading their 1C , and I'm assuming New York would need a defenseman if they are trading their 1D.

 

[Fatass]

What do you think would be a fair trade involving Pettersson and Dobson ? Vancouver would need a center coming back if they are trading their 1C , and I'm assuming New York would need a defenseman if they are trading their 1D.

Of course Lou Lam would like Pettersson. He’s a proven 1C.
Why would Van want Dobson?

 

[miscs75]

What do you think would be a fair trade involving Pettersson and Dobson ? Vancouver would need a center coming back if they are trading their 1C , and I'm assuming New York would need a defenseman if they are trading their 1D.

It would honestly involve prospects/picks from the Isles if it involves Dobson and Pettersson as a base. Not Barzal and Soucy (with other filler pieces). Ideally something involving Dobson, Danny Nelson, 2025 1st, one of Cizikas or Pageau and something else (another pick or prospect) for Pettersson is where I’m at in all reality if Vancouver was after Dobson. The only way I saw Pettersson moved to begin with is if JT Miller played hardball and blocked every trade out of Vancouver.

Soucy is paid like a bottom pairing, pk guy. That’s what he is. He’s no good playing a role up the lineup. IMO he has the value of a mid to late round pick. He’d be a guy included in any trade to balance cap.

Issue I have is that Pettersson and Soucy ≠ Barzal and Dobson no matter which way you look at it. That was the trade base that kept getting drummed out. That would be the isles equivalent of offering Barzal and Scott Mayfield for Quinn Hughes and Pettersson which is a downright terrible offer.

 

[MaseOfBase]

Of course Lou Lam would like Pettersson. He’s a proven 1C.
Why would Van want Dobson?

Not sure why, just the rumour going around that they have interest in Dobson. He is a really good d-man and a top four of Hughes/Dobson/Hronek/Pettersson would be the best in the league.
Maybe also insurance just in case Hughes doesn't want to stay in van past his current contract.

 

[Fatass]

It would honestly involve prospects/picks from the Isles if it involves Dobson and Pettersson as a base. Not Barzal and Soucy (with other filler pieces). Ideally something involving Dobson, Danny Nelson, 2025 1st, one of Cizikas or Pageau and something else (another pick or prospect) for Pettersson is where I’m at in all reality if Vancouver was after Dobson. The only way I saw Pettersson moved to begin with is if JT Miller played hardball and blocked every trade out of Vancouver.


Issue I have is that Pettersson and Soucy ≠ Barzal and Dobson no matter which way you look at it. That was the trade base that kept getting drummed out. That would be the isles equivalent of offering Barzal and Scott Mayfield for Quinn Hughes and Pettersson which is a downright terrible offer.

We agree. I’m pointing out Van has no need for Dobson.

 

[miscs75]

We agree. I’m pointing out Van has no need for Dobson.

Getting Pettersson for the Isles makes sense if they can do it without gutting the core. Getting Dobson is downright redundant with a substantially superior OFD in Quinn Hughes. It’s similar to the Romanov for Bouchard thread. Romanovs style fills a need for Edmonton while Bouchard is just a repeat of Dobson.

 

[Fatass]

Not sure why, just the rumour going around that they have interest in Dobson. He is a really good d-man and a top four of Hughes/Dobson/Hronek/Pettersson would be the best in the league.
Maybe also insurance just in case Hughes doesn't want to stay in van past his current contract.

Of course Dobson is really good. Van already has Hughes, Hronek, M.Pettersson. Dobson would be great on any team. But the league has a hard cap. Only so much can be allocated to D.

 

[MaseOfBase]

It would honestly involve prospects/picks from the Isles if it involves Dobson and Pettersson as a base. Not Barzal and Soucy (with other filler pieces). Ideally something involving Dobson, Danny Nelson, 2025 1st, one of Cizikas or Pageau and something else (another pick or prospect) for Pettersson is where I’m at in all reality if Vancouver was after Dobson. The only way I saw Pettersson moved to begin with is if JT Miller played hardball and blocked every trade out of Vancouver.


Issue I have is that Pettersson and Soucy ≠ Barzal and Dobson no matter which way you look at it. That was the trade base that kept getting drummed out. That would be the isles equivalent of offering Barzal and Scott Mayfield for Quinn Hughes and Pettersson which is a downright terrible offer.

I could see that return being somewhat realistic, then Vancouver would take the picks/prospects and flip them for a top 6 center somewhere else.
If Carolina can't resign rantenen by trade deadline they could look to move him , would be insane to do so but if that was the case I'd suspect Vancouver to be all over it.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Yeah, sure. There’s smoke starting to form.

And it’s blowing up your ass.

 

[MaseOfBase]

Of course Dobson is really good. Van already has Hughes, Hronek, M.Pettersson. Dobson would be great on any team. But the league has a hard cap. Only so much can be allocated to D.

Vancouver has over 20 million in cap space next year , signing Dobson to around 10 wouldn't be that far fetched honestly.
Not saying they do this since there is only so much PP time to go around and Hughes is a lock on PP1 , but you never know.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

MacKinnon and makar are miles above Barzal and Dobson , and mcdavid is miles above Petey. So that scenario wouldn't make sense.
All I'm saying If the Islanders offered Vancouver this deal van would not accept.
Maybe something could work around Petey, Boeser and Soucy but I doubt the Canucks are looking to trade Willander.
Pettersson + Boeser (UFA) + Soucy
For
Barzal, Nelson (UFA) + Dobson (RFA)
New York gets the better younger forwards
Vancouver gets the better younger defenseman.

Honestly add Willander to that Canucks package and I’d still take Dobson on the Leafs and I think 90% of leafs fans would agree. People are underrating Dobson here imo.

 

[miscs75]

I could see that return being somewhat realistic, then Vancouver would take the picks/prospects and flip them for a top 6 center somewhere else.
If Carolina can't resign rantenen by trade deadline they could look to move him , would be insane to do so but if that was the case I'd suspect Vancouver to be all over it.

The move itself would be a draft day move vs something at the deadline in all honesty. Cizikas has term (expires in 2027) but is only $2.5m AAV and with the cap going up while Pageau only has one year left at $5m. Moving out Pettersson to sign Rantanen would be an interesting one if they can get the right haul for Pettersson in itself. Load up on one quality piece with some other roster fillers similar to what Winnipeg got for PLD. Completely overhauls the roster and lets the team start fresh without either Pettersson or Miller around from the previous circus.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Yeah, sure. There’s smoke starting to form.

And it’s blowing up your ass.

Whose ass? The collective ass of hockey fans?

Would be a weird move for Isles, don’t see it personally.

 

[Fatass]

Vancouver has over 20 million in cap space next year , signing Dobson to around 10 wouldn't be that far fetched honestly.
Not saying they do this since there is only so much PP time to go around and Hughes is a lock on PP1 , but you never know.

Rumours are fun, that’s for sure.

 

[Petes2424]

Jimmy Rutherford will have lost his mind, if he allowed Pettersson to be traded right now. They’ve even said it publicly. They’re going to allow time for Pettersson now, with JT gone.

You win Cups up the middle. You don’t trade two away this quickly. Maybe in the summer, before his trade protection kicks in, if he struggles the second half.

Someone’s blowing smoke that’s just not there. If it is there?? The Canucks are admitting Pettersson is damaged goods, and you’d be an idiot to acquire him. So unless you’re sending your own damaged goods in return, stay clear for awhile