GDT: Isles @ Canes: Do we really want MinJaBen creating this after what he almost did to State last night?

[Negan4Coach]

I’ve still got beer to finish dammit!

I actually threw the rest of mine out and un-assed the place as soon as it went 5-2. Along with half the rest of the place

 

[Svechhammer]

I said this exact same thing last night when the switch was made. By moving him we neuter the Aho line and the game is over. And that's exactly what happened.

Yep.

Rod might be trying to send a message but by making this move he just forfeited the game. Martinook should never be playing high leverage minutes. Ever

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I hate that it sounds like I'm defending Martinook being in the top 6, because I'm not, but it's a silly exaggeration to say moving him up was "waiving the white flag" or "neutering Aho's line and it's game over" or "forfeiting the game". Aho's line stunk before Martinook was moved there.

1) Aho played over 18 minutes total and Martinook spent a grand total of 4:27 seconds with Aho 5v5 (vs. 13:12 with Jarvis and 9:01 with TT)
2) While Aho was with TT and Jarvis 5v5, the Canes had 0GF and 2GA. While Aho was with Martinook, there were 0GF and 0GA.
3) While Aho was with TT 5v5 for 9 minutes:

• the Canes had 3 shots for and 4 shots against.
• the Canes had 8 CF and 10 CA
• the Canes had 0 Goals for and 2 goals against.
• the Canes had 3 Scoring chances for and 6 scoring chances against
• the Canes had 2 HDCF and 3 HDCA

While Aho was with Martinook for 4:27

• The Canes had 5 shots for and 0 shots against.
• The Canes had 9 CF and 0 CA.
• The Canes had 0 goals for and 0 goals against.
• The Canes had 3 Scoring chances for and 0 scoring chances against.
• The Canes had 1 HDCF and 0 HDCA

That line was getting owned by the NYI with TT on it, both from an eye test and a statistical POV. I never want to see Martinook in the top 6 and it's up too Aho, TT and Jarvis to make sure it never happens.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

That was an interesting game. Isles definitely capitalized on their odd man rushes (as did Necas), but they also had more of them. The faceoff goal by Nelson was weird, how open he got.

Someone mentioned earlier about Slavin and how he kinda missed on two of the goals, maybe he needs some time to get acclimated to Burns. Who, I think, can really be a + in the end, especially on the PP … if the Canes have a decent net front. With Nino gone, who is that? Not sure.

Sorokin was outstanding. With a few seconds left on the 5 on 3, there was a faceoff to his right … and from our vantage point (second row, right by the tunnel), you could see how tired he was, sucking air, his back moving up and down, because that PP was amazingly chaotic/frantic, whatever you want to call it. It was a great PP … they just didn’t score.

There were enough guys who were invisible, who can’t be, for the Canes to lose. 86 in particular.

Oh and Coghlan, my man … you’re on the 3rd pairing. Be invisible, my guy. Enough with the fancy stick handling in your own zone. Up and out.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

That was an interesting game. Isles definitely capitalized on their odd man rushes (as did Necas), but they also had more of them. The faceoff goal by Nelson was weird, how open he got.

Someone mentioned earlier about Slavin and how he kinda missed on two of the goals, maybe he needs some time to get acclimated to Burns. Who, I think, can really be a + in the end, especially on the PP … if the Canes have a decent net front. With Nino gone, who is that? Not sure.

Sorokin was outstanding. With a few seconds left on the 5 on 3, there was a faceoff to his right … and from our vantage point (second row, right by the tunnel), you could see how tired he was, sucking air, his back moving up and down, because that PP was amazingly chaotic/frantic, whatever you want to call it. It was a great PP … they just didn’t score.

There were enough guys who were invisible, who can’t be, for the Canes to lose. 86 in particular.

If I could like this thread a 2nd time, I would. Particularly the last line.

 

[Bub]

Mea culpa guys. I've got a personal quirk that I don't wear/use anything with a team logo on it on game days.

Until yesterday, when I used my BRAND NEW Canes mug I got last week. During the game.

And I used it again this morning. Sorry in advance.

 

[WreckingCrew]

If it's any consolation to that catastrophe of a hockey game, Vancouver beat Shittsburgh 5-1. Team needs to get their shit together fast, west coast trip or not, we've only looked "good" in 2 of 7 games

 

[surfzone365]

Mea culpa guys. I've got a personal quirk that I don't wear/use anything with a team logo on it on game days.

Until yesterday, when I used my BRAND NEW Canes mug I got last week. During the game.

And I used it again this morning. Sorry in advance.

So we can now blame last night solely on you. Thanks...thanks a lot!!

 

[ndp]

I hate that it sounds like I'm defending Martinook being in the top 6, because I'm not, but it's a silly exaggeration to say moving him up was "waiving the white flag" or "neutering Aho's line and it's game over" or "forfeiting the game". Aho's line stunk before Martinook was moved there.

1) Aho played over 18 minutes total and Martinook spent a grand total of 4:27 seconds with Aho 5v5 (vs. 13:12 with Jarvis and 9:01 with TT)
2) While Aho was with TT and Jarvis 5v5, the Canes had 0GF and 2GA. While Aho was with Martinook, there were 0GF and 0GA.
3) While Aho was with TT 5v5 for 9 minutes:

• the Canes had 3 shots for and 4 shots against.
• the Canes had 8 CF and 10 CA
• the Canes had 0 Goals for and 2 goals against.
• the Canes had 3 Scoring chances for and 6 scoring chances against
• the Canes had 2 HDCF and 3 HDCA

While Aho was with Martinook for 4:27

• The Canes had 5 shots for and 0 shots against.
• The Canes had 9 CF and 0 CA.
• The Canes had 0 goals for and 0 goals against.
• The Canes had 3 Scoring chances for and 0 scoring chances against.
• The Canes had 1 HDCF and 0 HDCA

That line was getting owned by the NYI with TT on it, both from an eye test and a statistical POV. I never want to see Martinook in the top 6 and it's up too Aho, TT and Jarvis to make sure it never happens.

Aho needs a big strong skater on one of his wings imo. TT, Aho, Jarvis don’t have the size and physicality to handle certain matchups, especially come playoff time. It is slightly concerning that they were basically manhandled on home ice last night where they control the matchups. Maybe Patches bumps TT down to Jordo’s wing?
While in theory I really, really like the addition of Stansty and bringing Stepan back. And I understand the organization wanting to have a known commodity there in a veteran players. But it seems to me that it’s really slowed the bottom six down. I’m ready for a youth movement. Personally I would love to see Drury, Rees and possibly Ponomarev given more of an opportunity to grab one or two of those spots next season. I really hate that they didn’t “graduate” at least one AHL player this season, yet.

Anywho, there’s a ton of season still to play and I’m fairly confident the Hurricanes are a playoff team at worst. They’ll settle in, find a groove and make a run for it. But I think teams like NJ, NYR who have embraced more of a younger roster are quickly nipping at the heels, the competition is only going to get harder going forward. And I personally don’t think a revolving door of aging vets is the answer to staying competitive. And I think some of that is on the coaching staff for showing or having a preference to those types of players.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Aho needs a big strong skater on one of his wings imo. TT, Aho, Jarvis don’t have the size and physicality to handle certain matchups, especially come playoff time. It is slightly concerning that they were basically manhandled on home ice last night where they control the matchups. Maybe Patches bumps TT down to Jordo’s wing?

I agree.

I don't think Patches is overly physical, but he shouldn't be manhandled. I was disappointed when the Marchment deal fell through as I think he would have been ideal. Tkachuk obviously would have been, but the cost to acquire him would have probably been too prohibitive based on what Florida gave up.

Svech would work, but splitting him and Necas up is a no-no right now.

 

[Sigurd]

The game was lost on a pissed away 5 on 3. Which it feels like the Canes never score on. Isthere a place that has stats on 5 on 3 %. If it goes back to Hartford it HAS to worst or close to it. It feels like I’ve been bitching about this my whole f***ing life.

All of this is so damn true.

It felt like at the time, they had already lost the game after the 5v3, and then the 5v4, had ended. For a while during the 5v3, there was even an Islanders guy without a stick. So, basically 5v2.5, and they still couldn't score. It's practically guaranteed that Tampa or Colorado would've scored in the same situation IMO. I'm so tired of their powerplay woes year after year for so long now; before Rod even took over.

In no small part due to the powerplay woes, now even more so, I think we should've tried to keep TDA and slot him on the 3rd pair. Then we suddenly have two PP RHD, and since he would be on the 3rd pair and not 1st, one would hope TDA would do even better on 5v5 particularly with any of his defensive weakness(es).

Of course, our forwards sure need to step up as has been said before several times already recently. After Svech, Aho, and Necas, our forwards so far have been meh at best offensively.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

All of this is so damn true.

It felt like at the time, they had already lost the game after the 5v3, and then the 5v4, had ended. For a while during the 5v3, there was even an Islanders guy without a stick. So, basically 5v2.5, and they still couldn't score. It's practically guaranteed that Tampa or Colorado would've scored in the same situation IMO. I'm so tired of their powerplay woes year after year for so long now; before Rod even took over.

In no small part due to the powerplay woes, now even more so, I think we should've tried to keep TDA and slot him on the 3rd pair. Then we suddenly have two PP RHD, and since he would be on the 3rd pair and not 1st, one would hope TDA would do even better on 5v5 particularly with any of his defensive weakness(es).

Do you think they moved the puck poorly, made poor decisions, and shot the puck poorly on that PP?

To me … they happened not to score. It had nothing to do with “execution” IMO. It was desperate, and chaotic, and *well run,* and if they did that vs the Rangers, they’d have won the series. Shit like that will even out and they’ll get their PP goals.

 

[Stickpucker]

Turbo has been so bad that he definitely didn't deserve his ice time.

I'd start him on the 4th line today to light a fire under his ass.

Honestly I might give Noesen some 1st line minutes.

 

[Chrispy]

Do you think they moved the puck poorly, made poor decisions, and shot the puck poorly on that PP?

To me … they happened not to score. It had nothing to do with “execution” IMO. It was desperate, and chaotic, and *well run,* and if they did that vs the Rangers, they’d have won the series. Shit like that will even out and they’ll get their PP goals.

The 5 on 3 in particular I felt like almost overcorrected for the lack of shooting we would typically see from Carolina. But given they hit one post hard and had a few good chances I wasn’t too upset with the strategy of pass pass slap shot retrieve.

 

[Sigurd]

Do you think they moved the puck poorly, made poor decisions, and shot the puck poorly on that PP?

To me … they happened not to score. It had nothing to do with “execution” IMO. It was desperate, and chaotic, and *well run,* and if they did that vs the Rangers, they’d have won the series. Shit like that will even out and they’ll get their PP goals.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how pretty a powerplay looks when they not only don't score, but they've had such a big problem with 5v3s over many years as was previously stated.

Honestly, why would they not get a lot of chances on a 5v3, and especially when an Islander player didn't have a stick through a long stretch of it. Maybe the bar has been set that low for their PP that a 5v3 with several opportunities with no goal is looked at as a success.

It'd be nice to think that if they keep getting a decent amount of shots, it's just a matter of time, but history isn't exactly comforting. I'd love to be wrong though. Their PP has been their kryptonite in the playoffs IMO.

 

[Bub]

So we can now blame last night solely on you. Thanks...thanks a lot!!

Just trying to (not) help!

 

[Unsustainable]

Tkachuk would be a cheat mode on this team. I know the Borg was looking at adding, I think Meier is still a considerable target. 6’1 220

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Tkachuk would be a cheat mode on this team. I know the Borg was looking at adding, I think Meier is still a considerable target. 6’1 220

Our trouble will be quality of assets available. We will not be able to complete with a few of the buyers

 

[MinJaBen]

Tkachuk would be a cheat mode on this team. I know the Borg was looking at adding, I think Meier is still a considerable target. 6’1 220

My guess is we would have moved Necas in the trade. So while Tkachuk would be doing well on our top line, we’d be missing Nachos hot start on the second line.