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periferal said:
Cool. Well if pending UFA Brock Nelson can get a 1st and Cal Ritchie, probably not interested in any team's "4th best prospect." And one who does have a shady event on his resume.

Not trading a 25 year old right-handed puck moving defenseman defenseman with 1st pairing upside (who clearly wouldn't reach his potential on a low-scoring/flawed Islanders roster) unless the return is along the lines of a 2026 1st and a top-end prospect. Otherwise you just resign him.
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1. Not getting into Mailloux's stupid actions as a 17 year old. It was wrong and he's made progress in attending for what he did that is fairly significant.

2. The Habs were recently ranked as one of the best prospect systems in the league so our 3rd/4th best prospect is likely better than most team 1/2. Most teams top prospects aren't much better than Mailloux if they are contending teams.
 
periferal said:
Of course it's at least somewhat PR. Know how to prove it...?

Those Isles fans (and NHL fans in general) never suggest the Isles trade back up into the top 5 to select Misa (or Martone, Desnoyers, etc). If we're solely doing what's best for the Islanders ONLY for on the ice purposes, well everyone agrees that Misa is a better prospect, so why is no one saying to trade back up for him? I mean why not come away with the best 2 players in this draft?

Also if Hagans was from St. Louis and was a Blues fan absolutely ZERO NHL fans anywhere would be connecting him with the Isles.

People love a story and Hagens to the Isles is a good one for their franchise, and the NHL overall if he became a success there.

But no one should sit there for a second and say with a straight face that all this "Hagens to the Islanders" talk has NOTHING to do with PR. The fact it's being talked about this much goes to show you it's a factor. Not the only factor, but a big one.
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That's not really proof. I personally think NYI should and are looking at both Misa/Schaefer for 1OA. If you trade down, Misa won't be around with the Sharks at 2OA and they are happy to take him. Hence it's unrealistic and explains lack of convo on trading down for Misa unless you deal with the Sharks, while Hagens may fall from 4 to 8 range.
 
KirkAlbuquerque said:
10 is insane for Dobson
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Chrychrun who is 2 years older, signed for $9 mill AAV. A year ago, both Hanifin at 27 and Hronek (born same year but late bday so went in the following draft) signed for low $7's at like $7.3 mill AAV.

Contracts are going to rise and we are going to get more 8 figure cap hit players really soon.

Question is whether he's going to be worth the $10 mill when compared to others that will sign that make that.

Like Nurse at $9.25 mill never emerged to be worth that. If he was at $7 mill, he wouldn't get as much heat.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
So same as Chychrun?

I don't know. Seems a bit light since D's coming off their ELCs (Faber, Sanderson, Power) have been in the mid $8M's recently. Especially since Dobson has shown the flash of elite offensive production.
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ok maybe 9.5M.. but definitely not 10-11M.
 
Something around Utah’s pick so that NYI can draft Hagens makes a good bit of sense to me. Add later picks or cap dumps here or there to even it out.

Hagens doesn’t currently sound like he’s at risk of going higher than #6 or so, but Utah seems uniquely willing to give up a good pick for immediate gain. Most other teams picking that high will value futures more.

If they acquire that pick at #4, NYI will get their man. Utah seems to have cap room to sign him, assuming Dobson’s interest. He’d have to be consulted as part of the trade.
 
StreetHawk said:
Chrychrun who is 2 years older, signed for $9 mill AAV. A year ago, both Hanifin at 27 and Hronek (born same year but late bday so went in the following draft) signed for low $7's at like $7.3 mill AAV.

Contracts are going to rise and we are going to get more 8 figure cap hit players really soon.

Question is whether he's going to be worth the $10 mill when compared to others that will sign that make that.

Like Nurse at $9.25 mill never emerged to be worth that. If he was at $7 mill, he wouldn't get as much heat.
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Based on all their performances to date, Dobson's ceiling is a quite a bit higher than Hronek and Hanifin. Hronek in particular was signed after one standout season as a 2D.

This is also what happens when you bridge guys and they have a monster year or two on that bridge deal. Or fit an archetype that teams want. Demand for a RHD on the open market like Dobson in 2026 would be significant, so you either pay him now, trade him or see him walk in a year.
 
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Most ridiculous trope on HFB this year:
Saying yes to signing Dobson for 9 but no for 10 or 11 - absolutely illogical.

By saying yes to 9, you agree that he's somewhat worth that as a starting point.

What's an extra mil or two of overpayment, in a 100-120M cap league
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Looking for his replacement for 4 years + and ending up paying 6-7M for a much less interesting player?

You've spent the pick, spent the time developing him, went through growing pains in the big show, and now he's asking for 1-2M over TODAY's market value and let's just trade him? Penny pinching for the sake of "being right in 2026"?

From a fan whose team has been trying to replace Weber since 2021, let me tell you, a player with Dobson's profile (even with his flaws) is ridiculously rare. We're at the same point for top pair RHD as for top6 C: if you want one, you got to draft one.
 
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DiglettDangles said:
Most ridiculous trope on HFB this year:
Saying yes to signing Dobson for 9 but no for 10 or 11 - absolutely illogical.

By saying yes to 9, you agree that he's somewhat worth that as a starting point.

What's an extra mil or two of overpayment, in a 100-120M cap league
vs.
Looking for his replacement for 4 years + and ending up paying 6-7M for a much less interesting player?

You've spent the pick, spent the time developing him, went through growing pains in the big show, and now he's asking for 1-2M over TODAY's market value and let's just trade him? Penny pinching for the sake of "being right in 2026"?

From a fan whose team has been trying to replace Weber since 2021, let me tell you, a player with Dobson's profile (even with his flaws) is ridiculously rare. We're at the same point for top pair RHD as for top6 C: if you want one, you got to draft one.
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Every team has a cap on a player...for me (isles) I think with this contract talks, he should not get 10 or 11...My number is 9-9.5M... If we trade him to your team, you guys can negotiate however you see fit.
 
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Dr Jan Itor said:
So same as Chychrun?

I don't know. Seems a bit light since D's coming off their ELCs (Faber, Sanderson, Power) have been in the mid $8M's recently. Especially since Dobson has shown the flash of elite offensive production.
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If Chychrun is worth 9(and I'd argue he ABSOUTELY isn't) then Dobson is double digits all day long
 
Glorydays22 said:
Every team has a cap on a player...for me (isles) I think with this contract talks, he should not get 10 or 11...My number is 9-9.5M... If we trade him to your team, you guys can negotiate however you see fit.
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Reality is that the cap is going to rise a lot. Barzal, Horvat signed at a time when the cap rose all of like $3 million over a 4 year span. So, we do need to get ourselves ready for the new marketplace and comps in the next year or two.

$9 mill AAV when the Cap was low $80's is 1/9th or 11% of the team's cap. When you hit a $104 mill cap in 26/27, that same % cap hit is going to be $11 mill.
 
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Leafs need to be all over this. Eject Reilly into outer space, add this guy in for Kines (ya losing him would suck, but this solidifies the d core for our entire window).

Love Dobson as a player, would be a perfect fit.
 
periferal said:
Calm down dude. Everything is case by case. I'm not expecting anything, not do I control what NHL team does.

What I do know is what Dobson's value is taking into account his age, talent, potential, hockey sense, position he plays, the fact he shoots right, played for one of the lowest scoring teams, etc. And based off that if the Isles don't get a very good deal for him then you just resign him.
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And the only thing you didn’t take into account is the sole reason why Darche is listening on him; He’s asking for 11M on a long term contract and he isn’t close to being worth that.

Someone earlier suggested Sergachev’s value. If Dobson is open to signing between 8.5 - 9.5M then yes, that’s realistic value. If he’s not willing to go lower than 8 fig’s then yeah, his value on the market will tank because the amount of suitor at that price tag (AAV + acquisition price) will be very small.
 
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