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Friedman: Islanders “testing the market” on Dobson

It removes all team control from the islanders they match a 1 year deal as they can't trade him for the 1st year of a deal.
And then he re-signs with them for whatever he wants the next year when they have TONS of open cap space thanks to the cap sky rocketing, Seguin coming off the books and their whole core locked up already, but ok
 
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Most ridiculous trope on HFB this year:
Saying yes to signing Dobson for 9 but no for 10 or 11 - absolutely illogical.

By saying yes to 9, you agree that he's somewhat worth that as a starting point.

What's an extra mil or two of overpayment, in a 100-120M cap league
vs.
Looking for his replacement for 4 years + and ending up paying 6-7M for a much less interesting player?

You've spent the pick, spent the time developing him, went through growing pains in the big show, and now he's asking for 1-2M over TODAY's market value and let's just trade him? Penny pinching for the sake of "being right in 2026"?

From a fan whose team has been trying to replace Weber since 2021, let me tell you, a player with Dobson's profile (even with his flaws) is ridiculously rare. We're at the same point for top pair RHD as for top6 C: if you want one, you got to draft one.
1-2M over market value for a player is 21-42M over a full line-up.

I don’t think anyone thinks Dobson is worth 9M/yr right now. Aside from his outlier season he hasn’t shown he’s a top 10 D in this league. His current value is probably more in the ~8 range but taking into account the cap rising over the next couple of seasons then people figure 9 is a good number long term
 
Dobson is an “elite” offensive defenseman with one season where he scored more than 51 points?

10th overall in D scoring the past 4 years. Might not be elite but it puts him in #1 or #2 d-man category.

Hate the flaws in his game but RD are like unicorns right now. You don't trade them for 2nd liners or multiple late 1sts and 2nds.

I'd rather give him 5/10.5 than 8/9. I can't stand long-term contracts and the Sweetness of Lou left us sticky with them.

And look at the next couple of years of RD FA. Whole lot of blecch out there.
 
Blues have the long term need and assets. Would love to see Dobson in St. Louis, but no idea what a fair deal would look like.

For the record, the isles would be epically foolish to trade Dobson IMO, but maybe it’s inevitable if they don’t believe in the player and he wants out.
 
Most ridiculous trope on HFB this year:
Saying yes to signing Dobson for 9 but no for 10 or 11 - absolutely illogical.
I kind of wonder what people are thinking, too. I mean, the 10.6M is 25% over 8.5M, and the cap is going up 25% over the next few years (at or before the midpoint on the contract). So a number between 10M and 11M is what NYI should expect Dobson wants.

I think the issues are, 'what does Dobson actually want?', 'do the Islanders want to continue with Dobson as part of their core?', and 'how does drafting Schaefer affect that decision?'

I think the question about whether Dobson fits NYI's expected window brings up more questions about potentially dealing Horvat and Barzal. As a NYI fan, I do NOT think a full break down is in the plans, but I could be wrong.

As for defensive play, I don't think Dobson is really a liability. The issue this past season was turnovers, and forcing passes that weren't there. But this wasn't just him - NYI really lacked transition options up and down the lineup because Barzal was injured. I don't really think people have a conception of how bad that was. That said, Dobson still had a high-50s expected goals %.

(To explain, Dobson isn't the kind of transition player who does it by himself. He won't dangle up ice, but he's deadly on 4 on 3's.)

When Dobson plays with other mobile skilled players, really good things happen.

Last, my feeling is that dealing back into the draft is something is worthwhile if one of a group of players will be available - not just Hagens. NYI need explosive players, or players with high paces of play. So any of Hagens, Martin, Eklund, or potentially Bear fit the bill. It doesn't have to be Hagens. I'd be almost as happy with Eklund as I'd be with Hagens.
 
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10th overall in D scoring the past 4 years. Might not be elite but it puts him in #1 or #2 d-man category.

Hate the flaws in his game but RD are like unicorns right now. You don't trade them for 2nd liners or multiple late 1sts and 2nds.

I'd rather give him 5/10.5 than 8/9. I can't stand long-term contracts and the Sweetness of Lou left us sticky with them.

And look at the next couple of years of RD FA. Whole lot of blecch out there.
So not elite, then. That’s all I’m saying. You have a defenseman who is great but not elite offensively, poor defensively, and has no physicality or urgency to his game. That doesn’t scream top-pairing D to me.

Guys with tons of negotiating leverage don’t get premium trade assets. Guys with one year left until unrestricted free agency don’t get premium trade assets. If the Isles trade Dobson, it’ll be for one of those “young player, B+ prospect, mid-late 1st” types of packages.
 
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Guys with tons of negotiating leverage don’t get premium trade assets. Guys with one year left until unrestricted free agency don’t get premium trade assets. If the Isles trade Dobson, it’ll be for one of those “young player, B+ prospect, mid-late 1st” types of packages.

I'd bet a dollar they get more than that if he is traded

/PSV is a big spender, risk-taker
 
So not elite, then. That’s all I’m saying. You have a defenseman who is great but not elite offensively, poor defensively, and has no physicality or urgency to his game. That doesn’t scream top-pairing D to me.

Guys with tons of negotiating leverage don’t get premium trade assets. Guys with one year left until unrestricted free agency don’t get premium trade assets. If the Isles trade Dobson, it’ll be for one of those “young player, B+ prospect, mid-late 1st” types of packages.
Examples in recent years are Fiala, which was a 20th or so first and Faber.
PLD, got former 1sts in Vilardi and Kupari. NHLer in Iafollo.
Cal, went vets with Huberdeau and Weager to Tkachuck.
Win got a late 1st and Pionk for Trouba
Buf got a late first (a year later) and goalie prospect Levi for Reinhart.

I doubt NYI opts for all vets in the return.
 
Examples in recent years are Fiala, which was a 20th or so first and Faber.
PLD, got former 1sts in Vilardi and Kupari. NHLer in Iafollo.
Cal, went vets with Huberdeau and Weager to Tkachuck.
Win got a late 1st and Pionk for Trouba
Buf got a late first (a year later) and goalie prospect Levi for Reinhart.

I doubt NYI opts for all vets in the return.
Yep, all great examples. I’ve always referenced the Meier and Burns trades as well. Especially Burns, who was basically Noah Dobson at the time of his trade: Big ~25 year old RHD with clear talent but inconsistency and questions defensively a year away from unrestricted free agency. Main difference is that he was able to be re-signed at a very reasonable number post-trade, whereas Dobson will command a huge amount of money based on the rising cap and RHD scarcity.

Ferraro, Isles’ choice of Musty/Mukhamadullin/Bystedt, and Dallas 1st is the offer I’d make. Very similar to the Burns package of Setoguchi/Coyle/28th overall, though Burns came with Minnesota’s 2012 2nd which ended up much better than the Sharks’ 2011 first (28th -> Zach Phillips vs. 37th -> Matt Nieto).
 
I agree the package I was thinking of would be yak+21+27 1st+ 26 3rd two firsts a third and a grade a prospect seems like fair value maybe a small add from the Islanders like nurmi and a 4th
Staios isn't Dorion and Sens are already down a 1st next year, not to mention 2 of the last 3 thanks to his bumbling. Beyond this year's first, unlikely but possible, Sens are not trading any more firsts, period
 
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Yep, all great examples. I’ve always referenced the Meier and Burns trades as well. Especially Burns, who was basically Noah Dobson at the time of his trade: Big ~25 year old RHD with clear talent but inconsistency and questions defensively a year away from unrestricted free agency. Main difference is that he was able to be re-signed at a very reasonable number post-trade, whereas Dobson will command a huge amount of money based on the rising cap and RHD scarcity.

Ferraro, Isles’ choice of Musty/Mukhamadullin/Bystedt, and Dallas 1st is the offer I’d make. Very similar to the Burns package of Setoguchi/Coyle/28th overall, though Burns came with Minnesota’s 2012 2nd which ended up much better than the Sharks’ 2011 first (28th -> Zach Phillips vs. 37th -> Matt Nieto).
Also remember,
Trouba, PLD, Tkachuck wanted out of Win and Cal. Reinhart was tired of the 6 years of losing.
If Min wasn't in dead cap hell with Suter/Parise, they likely keep Fiala. But, needed to make a move and got a good offer.

Not getting the feeling that Dobson wants out of the Island. Sounds more like contract than anything which would result in a trade. Just whether the Isles find the ask too high.
 
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Also remember,
Trouba, PLD, Tkachuck wanted out of Win and Cal. Reinhart was tired of the 6 years of losing.
If Min wasn't in dead cap hell with Suter/Parise, they likely keep Fiala. But, needed to make a move and got a good offer.

Not getting the feeling that Dobson wants out of the Island. Sounds more like contract than anything which would result in a trade. Just whether the Isles find the ask too high.
Sorta my point. The Isles only trade him if his contract demands are too steep for them. That drastically decreases his trade value—if the Isles don’t want to pay him, why should another team give up premium assets just to pay him?
 
Doesn't this happen when sub-star level players get close to free agency and want that big deal that eats up UFA years? Vancouver has dangled multiple guys and they ended up extending. Presumably none of the teams picking in the top five want to drop a big contract to stink anyway and not have a high pick to show for it and what good team is giving the Isles a better younger player for him? Is there a similarly situated player that would make a good swap? Otherwise don't the Isles bite the bullet and sign him?
 
So not elite, then. That’s all I’m saying. You have a defenseman who is great but not elite offensively, poor defensively, and has no physicality or urgency to his game. That doesn’t scream top-pairing D to me.
Bullshit. Top 10 in scoring among dmen over a 4 year period is absolutely elite.

1. Makar
2. Q. Hughes
3. Fox
4. Josi
5. Hedman
6. Dahlin
7. Karlsson
8. Morrisey
9. Bouchard
10. Dobson

That’s the list of top scoring dmen from 2021-22 to 2024-25. Pretty f***ing elite company lol
 
So same as Chychrun?

I don't know. Seems a bit light since D's coming off their ELCs (Faber, Sanderson, Power) have been in the mid $8M's recently. Especially since Dobson has shown the flash of elite offensive production.
Faber and Sanderson are a lot better Dmen than Dobson .
 
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Staios isn't Dorion and Sens are already down a 1st next year, not to mention 2 of the last 3 thanks to his bumbling. Beyond this year's first, unlikely but possible, Sens are not trading any more firsts, period
Sure but Ottawa is a terrible trade partner here. Dobson isn't the type of player they are looking for. Would be a very silly trade, even if just for Pinto 1 for 1.
 
Sure but Ottawa is a terrible trade partner here. Dobson isn't the type of player they are looking for. Would be a very silly trade, even if just for Pinto 1 for 1.
Ok, but many Isles fans have been coveting Pinto for a long time, I would love JG to come back home and Ottawa's top summer priority is a RD, so tbf there is an obvious fit in some ways
 
Bullshit. Top 10 in scoring among dmen over a 4 year period is absolutely elite.

1. Makar
2. Q. Hughes
3. Fox
4. Josi
5. Hedman
6. Dahlin
7. Karlsson
8. Morrisey
9. Bouchard
10. Dobson

That’s the list of top scoring dmen from 2021-22 to 2024-25. Pretty f***ing elite company lol
Scoring is not the primary role for a good "defense"man tbf
 
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