Friedman: Islanders “testing the market” on Dobson

[Michoulicious]

#16 + #17 ++ from Montreal.

 

[periferal]

Makes a ton of sense to trade him for a pick to get Hagens, I’m just not sure what team makes sense with that.

Why does it "make a ton of sense" to trade anything for Hagens? Because he'a actually a good player who will help the Isles win a Cup...Or because he'll help their PR and sales departments?

We know that so many prospects are Leafs' fans growing up, so it's like seeing Haley's Comet to see a great prospect be an Islanders fan. That said just because we finally see a top 5 pick wearing Islander pajamas doesn't mean that they need to trade a boatload to have the opportunity to draft him. As an Isles' fan, if he really wants to play for his favorite team I'd much rather see Hagens pull a Fox or Tavares and force his way there saving the Isles from having to give up as many assets (or any) to get him top 5 in a week.

 

[ExtraLoveSauce]

Ottawa doesn't have a 26 1st

Oof than 21 this year along with the 27 2nd and one of their three thirds in 26 pinto,yak,21 pick ,27 2nd,26 3rd for Dobson,Palmieri and 2 4ths

 

[Taswell]

Oof than 21 this year along with the 27 2nd and one of their three thirds in 26 pinto,yak,21 pick ,27 2nd,26 3rd for Dobson,Palmieri and 2 4ths

Palmieri just re-signed and has a NMC.

 

[Go Wings]

He actually has played some on the left side. If memory serves, he played a lot of LD on the Memorial Cup teams too.

Yah but he's way better on the right side. Detroit is in this weird spot where you have an awesome RD like Dobson and another good RD Ekblad who grew up across the river from Detroit. We have Seider on the right side with ASP coming. But the LD out there aren't as great.

 

[periferal]

Matheson + Mailloux + 16 + 17 for Dobson

Lots of Habs fans sure willing to ship Mailloux out the door. Wonder why?

 

[miscs75]

#16 + #17 ++ from Montreal.

What’s the ++ part? If it’s anything from the list, I’m walking:

Active roster players: Matheson, Laine, Newhook, Dach, anyone else lower on the roster totem pole.

Prospects: Mailloux, Mesar, any other prospect overhyped because Montreal drafted him

 

[isles55]

No, I’m saying he isn’t a great PP QB, he’s a great rush and transitional offensive D.
He didn’t get replaced by DeAngelo, and even freaking Mike Reilly at times without a reason.

I don’t agree with that. Dobson was 4th in shots among defensemen last season on the PP. In 23-24, he was 3rd in primary assists on the PP. Over the last three seasons Dobson is top-10 in points and shots. Dobson is elite offensively. We need to give him gifted players to play with.

Who Roy gives ice-time to is entirely his decision. And we know coaches don’t always make the correct ones.

 

[ExtraLoveSauce]

No he certainly wouldn't based on the fact Sanderson finished second only to Makar in PP points this year, which I get not a lot of people realize. At very best he would play with Sanderson on PP#1, but he more likely would just supplant Chabby as the #2pp guy

I think he would have more to offer than Sanderson on the blue line for the pp at least not that Sanderson isn't good I feel that is more of Dobson's cup of tea being just a bit more creative and would do great playing on their pp with tckachuk Stutzle and batherson at the same time they could run a a traditional 3-2 first pp unit and let chabby run the 2nd unit

 

[ExtraLoveSauce]

Palmieri just re-signed and has a NMC.

I think he would waive for Ottawa for a chance at the yoffs but who knows

 

[ExtraLoveSauce]

I think leave pinto out and just do yak with the 21st pick as the base

 

[Michoulicious]

No to both Habs players listed. Upgrade the prospect to start.

I think Reinbacher + #17 is fair.

If not, then you look at #16 + #17 + 2 of Beck/Kapanen/Mailloux/Heineman/Struble/Roy.

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

If there is a market for Erik Karlsson, which there should be with retention for sure, the Pens would be a good match.

11th overall + some assets from the Karlsson trade for Dobson would make sense.

Only issue is it is a divisional rival, but if the Isles are rebuilding, that wouldn't be too much of an issue.

The Isles could use those to move up in the draft if needed too. If the Pageau to Boston rumours are true, 11th and Pageau for 7th overall wouldn't be ridiculous.

 

[Barsky]

I think he would have more to offer than Sanderson on the blue line for the pp at least not that Sanderson isn't good I feel that is more of Dobson's cup of tea being just a bit more creative and would do great playing on their pp with tckachuk Stutzle and batherson at the same time they could run a a traditional 3-2 first pp unit and let chabby run the 2nd unit

It's possible, just not likely. Hardly any teams use 2 D on their #1 unit for good reason

 

[Rebels57]

Obviously, if they could get Hagens (Philly, Seattle?) at 6/8 they should do that. My hunch is those teams won’t want to pay him $10M, and give up Hagens for the privilege.

I could definitely see Montreal being involved with one or both of their mid-1sts. Carolina as a Slavin D partner is interesting. Late picks, Morrow and Nadeau as potential returns.

San Jose needs a RD (or any D!) I don’t really want a $10M Dobson as our #1 dman, but we have plenty of assets if he’s available.

My hunch is NYI are looking to use Dobson to get Hagens. If, as I expect, that fails, I don’t think they’ll want to move him for something like Morrow/Musty+late 1st+okay Roster player.

Flyers are not trading 6th overall for Dobson. Not in win-now mode and have spent too many assets trading on RHD in the last 5 years (Ellis, Ristolainen, DeAngelo).

 

[Barsky]

I think he would waive for Ottawa for a chance at the yoffs but who knows

Sens would not be looking for, nor have the room for another declining old winger

 

[Barsky]

I think leave pinto out and just do yak with the 21st pick as the base

Are you saying you'd rather have a late-ish first over Pinto?

 

[miscs75]

I think Reinbacher + #17 is fair.

If not, then you look at #16 + #17 + 2 of Beck/Kapanen/Mailloux/Heineman/Struble/Roy.

Absolutely not for that 2nd list of unimpressive pieces. first list replace Reinbacher with Hage.

 

[BillR10]

Jordan Staal was a year from UFA and was traded for Sutter, Dumoulin and pick #8 in 2012. Dobson’s value should be similar.

Good luck with that. Jordan Staal was traded then signed a 10 yr 60 mil ext in 2012 when the cap was just over 70mil meaning he was around 8.5% cap hit. Also Staal was coming off a 25 goal 50 pts season in which he played just over 60 games while being used as a defensive center primarily with Crosby and Malkin getting the ozone. There was reason to believe given a chance he could be a scoring 2 way center. Dobson is coming off a tough year with a rumored demand of over 10% of a teams cap. As I said apples to apples he'll pull a mid to late first, a prospect and maybe a later pick/prospect if you get teams bidding.

 

[Michoulicious]

Absolutely not for that 2nd list of unimpressive pieces. first list replace Reinbacher with Hage.

I you don't want Reinnacher, Hage + #17 is done deal my good sir.

 

[Baksfamous112]

If he gets dealt, I imagine the return would be similar to Sergachev from last year.

Serg was traded for Geekie (recent 11th overall pick), Moser and a 2nd.

Sergachev has a pretty favorable long term contract while Dobson is asking for way too much money. They are not really comparables

 

[Baksfamous112]

Absolutely not for that 2nd list of unimpressive pieces. first list replace Reinbacher with Hage.

If Dobson settle for a ~9M/yr on an 8 years contract then we have a deal.

 

[miscs75]

If Dobson settle for a ~9M/yr on an 8 years contract then we have a deal.

Dobson settles on that and he stays. Dobson holds out and asks for $10m+ and he’s getting moved.

 

[Surfer Dude]

Yes, we should all be comparing D that need new deals to the best d-man in the league that signed his deal close to 5 years ago coming out of a pandemic with a flat salary cap. Brilliant take.

I'd rather pay 10m now for 8 years of 10-12g, 35-50a Dobson at RD then try and find another one in the coming years as the cap skyrockets. Should be pretty easy to find an RD with those stats for Makar-like money then. They're always available. Maybe we can find our Forsling on the waiver wire.

Nice of you to ignore I also said the cap will go up but the main point was why would any team trade for him for picks in Hagens range today in response to earlier proposal

Even with skyrocketing cap, his defense is still an issue. I'd rather not pay $10m for that, plus he's asking for $11m and NYI fans are asking for top picks for that? There's a reason why Darche is exploring trades for him so even your own GM is reluctant. Don't worry though, he'll likely resign for short term deal to prove it first.

 

[Captain97]

Lots of Habs fans sure willing to ship Mailloux out the door. Wonder why?

Because he's a good prospect but not our best...

Many on our board don't want to move him. But he's prbly our 3rd/4th best prospect (4th is if you are including goalies)