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Speculation: Isaac Howard & Tampa's Cap Crunch

Toews2Bickell said:
when Kane broke his collarbone?
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Exactly! As I recall, the Hawks were the first team to go shopping at the deadline (Timmonen and Vermette) and really blow past the cap had Kane not been LTIR'ed. It was pure serendipity that his recovery date happened to coincide with game 1 when he notched 2 assists. With no particular rooting interest that year - just a deeply partisan person - I was vexed.
 
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Deaner said:
Exactly! As I recall, the Hawks were the first team to go shopping at the deadline (Timmonen and Vermette) and really blow past the cap had Kane not been LTIR'ed. It was pure serendipity that his recovery date happened to coincide with game 1 when he notched 2 assists. With no particular rooting interest that year - just a deeply partisan person - I was vexed.
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To be fair, he probably came back early from that injury. He broke his collarbone on February 24 and played the first game of the playoffs which was April 14. That’s seven weeks recovery time.

Collarbone breaks can range from 6-12 weeks, he was still probably sore playing through it. Then you have Matt Schaefer who is over that timeline at this point and still isn’t back. Point is, Hawks got incredibly lucky, I don’t think they intended to do it before the injury happened.
 
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Tampa was fortunate with Kucj's injury, as they were looking at moving either Tyler Johnson or another ~5 million player in order to be compliant. Kuch tried non surgical treatments throughout early to mid December, but ultimately they failed to provide enough relief. His recovery of 4.5 months approximately was in line, with some players taking a bit longer. In any case, all 3 of Tampa, Chicago, and Vegas all just used the rules available to them. After Chicago used the ltir to advantage in '15, Tampa and one other team actually voted to change this rule, but every other team was fine with it.
 
Chicago never planned to use that LTIR and would've preferred Kane doesn't break his collarbone even though they got a nice 3C in Vermette, its debatable if teams like Vegas are going in thinking they have it in their back pocket, a lot has changed since 2015 so maybe teams realize they can plan on it, if needed
 
I think a lot of the NCAA players transitioning into the NHL want to immediately play in a top-6 role (can't blame them). However, teams don't want that and especially with tampa's top-6. They are better off letting him wait another year. He is still only 21.
 
newsportsfan123 said:
I think a lot of the NCAA players transitioning into the NHL want to immediately play in a top-6 role (can't blame them). However, teams don't want that and especially with tampa's top-6. They are better off letting him wait another year. He is still only 21.
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Tampa has a hole on the second line with Hagel and Cirelli, Paul isn't a top6 player. Howard could fill that hole.

All this situation with Howard has been baffling, if he actually goes back to Michigan State this will be a very big fumble. I've loved what JBB has done for the Bolts so far, the Jeannot trade was a misstep but still I liked the effort thinking we would have gotten a Wilson-like player.
Yet, I'd be livid if he fumbles all this and Tampa comes out of this thing empty handed or with a penny on the dollar value from trading Howard's unsigned rights.
 
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Zwui21 said:
Tampa has a hole on the second line with Hagel and Cirelli, Paul isn't a top6 player. Howard could fill that hole.

All this situation with Howard has been baffling, if he actually goes back to Michigan State this will be a very big fumble. I've loved what JBB has done for the Bolts so far, the Jeannot trade was a misstep but still I liked the effort thinking we would have gotten a Wilson-like player.
Yet, I'd be livid if he fumbles all this and Tampa comes out of this thing empty handed or with a penny on the dollar value from trading Howard's unsigned rights.
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Seems like a complete fumble unless BriseBois last minute gets him signed or gets really good value in return. And with Howard only being a year from UFA and this impasse becoming public, I bet the return wouldn't be great.

Howard probably gets traded out of division for a decent prospect or roster player and a 2nd.
 
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Deaner said:
Exactly! As I recall, the Hawks were the first team to go shopping at the deadline (Timmonen and Vermette) and really blow past the cap had Kane not been LTIR'ed. It was pure serendipity that his recovery date happened to coincide with game 1 when he notched 2 assists. With no particular rooting interest that year - just a deeply partisan person - I was vexed.
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Kane was also leading the NHL points race at the time of his injury.
I'm 1000% sure he would have preferred to finish the season and possibly win the Art Ross (he would a year later.)

It worked out for the Hawks at the end but Kane was certainly playing through pain in those playoffs, especially the first round.
 
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Zwui21 said:
Tampa has a hole on the second line with Hagel and Cirelli, Paul isn't a top6 player. Howard could fill that hole.

All this situation with Howard has been baffling, if he actually goes back to Michigan State this will be a very big fumble. I've loved what JBB has done for the Bolts so far, the Jeannot trade was a misstep but still I liked the effort thinking we would have gotten a Wilson-like player.
Yet, I'd be livid if he fumbles all this and Tampa comes out of this thing empty handed or with a penny on the dollar value from trading Howard's unsigned rights.
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Tampa has no hole on the 2nd line if the lines would be deployed better. Paul can work there, but they should really have the top 6 set with a combination of Point, Kuch, Hagel, Guentzel, Cirelli, and Bjorkstrand, then the 3rd being Paul, Gourde and Goncalves. There's no room for Howard at this time in the top 6, and only maybe on the 3rd line. There's no fumble from JBB unless he refused to burn the elc year to give Howard limited minutes in a game or two, but it sounds as though Howard may not be interested in spending any time in Syracuse, which makes the decision very easy for the organization to start working on a trade if that's the case.
 
The one deal I could really see happening for Tampa would be Howard for Zegras. Ducks have been shopping him around, he seems to desperately need a change of scenery, and the Ducks have plenty of time and opportunity for Howard to play and develop. Win win?
 
Power Surge said:
Yeah we probably have to go with another pick or prospect for Howard
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Korchinski is one name people seem to bring up a lot. Feel like TB would want a D prospect. Not sure the pick would be appealing to JBB since the odds of that player helping this current group are pretty slim. Is Cole Hutson for Howard a ridiculous proposition?
 
Hockeyville USA said:
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If you're not demanding NHL time...what could they not be seeing eye to eye on? Not like their AHL team is loaded.

Only thing I can see is Tampa saying "We want you to develop for another year but we want you to do that in the NCAA where you are in a known program rather than starting fresh on a AHL team".
 
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atlanticobserver said:
Korchinski is one name people seem to bring up a lot. Feel like TB would want a D prospect. Not sure the pick would be appealing to JBB since the odds of that player helping this current group are pretty slim. Is Cole Hutson for Howard a ridiculous proposition?
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Hutson seems decent, I would consider.
 
atlanticobserver said:
Korchinski is one name people seem to bring up a lot. Feel like TB would want a D prospect. Not sure the pick would be appealing to JBB since the odds of that player helping this current group are pretty slim. Is Cole Hutson for Howard a ridiculous proposition?
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As a Caps fan, we have no need of another winger prospect. We already have Miroshnichenko and Cristall who could be worked in to the lineup next season, on top of Leonard. So even if it were okay value-wise, it doesn't work.

(Also, I personally think Hutson's a much better prospect, but I am also biased.)
 
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wickedwitch said:
As a Caps fan, we have no need of another winger prospect. We already have Miroshnichenko and Cristall who could be worked in to the lineup next season, on top of Leonard. So even if it were okay value-wise, it doesn't work.

(Also, I personally think Hutson's a much better prospect, but I am also biased.)
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Understandable, but I think Howard has more value than Hutson given the season he just had despite Hutson being a very promising young player
 
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