Is there a narrative that the Capitals are sacrificing everything to get Ovechkin the Goal Record? Is there a double standard with regards to Crosby?

[Jay Gray]

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Being the top center at -21 on a team that is -49 on the season is somewhat impressive.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

So start the dialogue, then. What point are you trying to make?

 

[Acallabeth]

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Credit's gotta be given when it's due
Real Caps and Ovi fans always knew
Of the flaws in the plus-minus stat
Spent so many hours explaining that
'Bias', people told us for so long
Year after year we were going strong

So the day of reckoning finally came
Uneven playing ground, unfair game
Curious to see how this ended up
Keepin' to ourselves, we had a last laugh
Stay in your place - in the East bottom half!

 

[SkinsFan09]

So start the dialogue, then. What point are you trying to make?

I think if that was Ovechkin in the exact same setting, there'd be way more made out of it and nobody would be saying "well the team is really bad, you have to look at context." It's less directed at 87 and more at the convenient use and non-use of plus minus when people feel like it.

For the record I don't even dislike Crosby and think he is the best player of their generation, with Ovechkin No. 2.

 

[blankall]

The Pens now exist to keep Sid’s points per game streak going.

Yeah, I don't think anyone cares about that in comparison to all-time goals.

Have to take back what I said about Washington back though. They definitely found a way to win. Very impressive. Strome with a career year, Protas (who?) emerging, and PLD coming back from the dead. Never would have called that one.

 

[johan f]

Gretzky the best even if Ovie breaks the record. Milking out the goals and drag his ass around for three final seasons, just to break the record, is not legit.

 

[Voight]

Gretzky the best even if Ovie breaks the record. Milking out the goals and drag his ass around for three final seasons, just to break the record, is not legit.

Quite the hot take. Ovechkin is still a key contributor in the caps, it's not like the sole reason he still has a job is because of his chase for the goal record.

 

[BallardEra]

I see the back up/alt accounts are getting dusted out and used again.

 

[BallardEra]

I think if that was Ovechkin in the exact same setting, there'd be way more made out of it and nobody would be saying "well the team is really bad, you have to look at context." It's less directed at 87 and more at the convenient use and non-use of plus minus when people feel like it.

For the record I don't even dislike Crosby and think he is the best player of their generation, with Ovechkin No. 2.

Pens are really not that good and Crosby's +/- took a hit in the second half last season.

Getting older doesn't help either.

 

[Summer Rose]

Quite the hot take. Ovechkin is still a key contributor in the caps, it's not like the sole reason he still has a job is because of his chase for the goal record.

I could see the argument that Gretzky was a better complete player than Ovechkin. I might even be inclined to agree.

I don’t think it’s much of a question that Ovechkin is a better goal scorer than Gretzky though.

 

[Regal]

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(before everyone gets angry, I am simply using this to point out that plus minus is a highly flawed stat)

Being on a bad team really shows why it’s such a bad stat. He’s only -3 at 5v5 (due to a .878 on-ice SV% mostly), but -13 in empty net situations. Bad teams pull the goalie a ton these days and their star players get a bunch of minuses from it. We never used to see this many empty net goals

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

I could see the argument that Gretzky was a better complete player than Ovechkin. I might even be inclined to agree.

Uh.... yeah?

 

[blankall]

Quite the hot take. Ovechkin is still a key contributor in the caps, it's not like the sole reason he still has a job is because of his chase for the goal record.

Shockingly, scoring goals helps teams win games. Ovechkin is still really good at scoring goals.

 

[Summer Rose]

Uh.... yeah?

Well in hindsight that was a pretty stupid post for me to make.

 

[DJJones]

Haven't really watched them much this year. I think he took several two or three minute long shifts.

Never really seen that before but the shot is still terrifying

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I could see the argument that Gretzky was a better complete player than Ovechkin. I might even be inclined to agree.

Idk seems like kind of a hot take

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

Man, we now got Caps fans going back through old threads laughing at comments made half a year ago.

Some people have way too much time on their hands.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Man this aged horribly.

 

[qc14]

the best way to get Ovi the record is for the team to be good and the best way for the team to be good is for Ovi to score (and thus hit the record).

Wow, the guy who posted this all the way back in October must really know what he's talking about!

 

[Lou Sassole]

Man, we now got Caps fans going back through old threads laughing at comments made half a year ago.

Some people have way too much time on their hands.

Wait until we do it with the PLD or the Protas contract thread. Lol.

 

[SkinsFan09]

Gretzky the best even if Ovie breaks the record. Milking out the goals and drag his ass around for three final seasons, just to break the record, is not legit.

What exactly was Gretzky doing the rest of his career after LA?

 

[SkinsFan09]

Haven't really watched them much this year. I think he took several two or three minute long shifts.

Never really seen that before but the shot is still terrifying

He's playing the least amount of minutes per game in his career and is No. 1 in the NHL is goals per/60 and even-strength goals per 60 and is top 6 in points/60 so do not try to spin this as "well he's just staying on the ice a lot and that's why he's scoring"