ezcreepin
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The thread is: Is Kucherov better than Ovechkin, not is Tampa Bay better than Washington or did Kucherov help his team win more cups than Ovie or did Tampa play more playoff games because of Kucherov vs Ovie and the Caps, etc etc etc. It is a player vs player comparison, and sure you can look to their influence, but we're talking about their careers, but I'll bite:I'm almost convinced that if guys like McDavid, Draisaitl, Matthews, Jagr, or Selanne had the same obsession as Ovechkin, they could have had careers with 1,000 regular-season goals. And I'm not even talking about those who played in the '80s.
The playoffs count more than the regular season, and not just in the NBA. The NFL and MLB are the same thing. Plus, your argument is flawed because Kucherov is very close to Ovechkin's goal tally with a good part of his career ahead of him, even though that's not even his role on the ice.
Tampa Bay scores more goals with Kucherov than Washington with Ovechkin. It doesn't matter who scores, the important thing is to help win. And Kucherov helps his team more. In any case, Tampa has had more success with Kucherov than Washington with Ovechkin, by far. So there's no debate.
With the Ovimaniacs, it's always the same thing: masturbating over a regular-season goal record that didn't do much for Washington and that doesn't do much for hockey. It's just a nice anecdote.
Ovechkin's % contribution to the team since he entered the league (goals, pts compared to goals scored by team)
Goals - 18.6%
Total offense - 33.6%
Kucherov % contribution
Goals - 11.4%
Total offense - 31.8%
Ok ok, SO WHAT that Ovechkin has contributed more to the team offense in the regular season. Kucherov is SURELY better in the playoffs:
Ovechkin playoff % contribution
Goals - 18.2%
Total offense - 35.7%
Kucherov playoff % contribution
Goals - 12.2%
Total offense - 38.4%
OK, you got me, Kucherov just BARELY beat out Ovechkin in % of offense contributed in the playoffs, so I guess you got me there!
Literally at least check your work before you make a comment like that. I don't care about who was on the ice when a goal was scored because it's inconsequential to them contributing to the offense, and even though Ovechkin is 11 playoff points away from tying Kucherov in contribution, Ovechkin was, has been, and still is a better player to their team than Kucherov has been. The fact is, they are both almost 99% offensive players who aren't contributing significantly to the defensive game. And if you're going to argue that, I'm going to point to Kucherov's staggering TOTAL short handed ice time of 13:37 in 794 games. Ovechkin's stats aren't available for that metric, but his average over his career is 0:08 SH TOI/Game vs Kucherov's 0:01 SH TOI/Game, which I think says a lot about him defensively and also might say something about him offensively too, who knows. If they were apt defensive players, they'd play some amount of time on the pk.