Is There a Case For Kucherov > Ovechkin?

[jhglassman]

Not even close Ovechkin is going to retire as one of the goats and I wouldn’t even have Kucherov in the top 5 Russians all time

 

[Riseonfire]

The disrespect of the Great 8 continues.

 

[Demandedace]

I really wish that some of you had actually watched pre-2010 Ovi. He was otherworldly in a more difficult era, this thread isn't even a conversation

 

[beowulf]

Not at this time and would take a lot more from him to really make that even remotely possible.

 

[CapSpace]

Lol

 

[DaPhazz]

He has no case for hockey‘s Mt Rushmore.

If he does break the record, of course he does

 

[MXD]

You mean, regarding what they're bringing at this point? Or their career?

If it's the first : Of course. It's a really easy case to make.
If it's the second : ... You've gotta be trolling. Like, Joe Thornton vs. Sidney Crosby is a more interesting comparison.

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

As good as he’s been the past several seasons (when he’s been healthy enough to play), Kucherov isn’t even a PPG player in the NHL over his whole career.

Is there some other Nikita Kucherov you're looking up by mistake?

 

[Toby91ca]

It means Kucherovs best season isnt even in the same stratosphere as Ovis.

Ok, not sure I agree with that…career yes, best season, no

 

[danyhabsfan]

No

Ottawa Senators will probably retire Ovechkin jersey soon

 

[Hisch13r]

No.

 

[DrDangles]

Talent wise??? TALENT WISE???

Yeah, the guy with the highest single season point total since Jagr/Mario and back to back 30+ point cup runs.

Are we pretending Kuch isn't an elite talent or something?

 

[filinski77]

Peak vs Peak

At their best, Kucherov was a better playing than AO. 2018-2019 is way better than any AO's best season.

Some people will get salty over it but it is what it is. Kucherov is a much much much better playoff performer too.

At their best, Ovechkin was much better than Kucherov.

Ovechkin 2007/2008:

	Points			Goals
Ovechkin	112​		Ovechkin	65​
2nd	106​	6%​	2nd	52​	25%​
5th	96​	17%​	5th	43​	51%​
10th	87​	29%​	10th	40​	63%​
30th	72​	56%​	30th	29​	124%​

	Points - Caps		Goals - Caps
Ovechkin	112​	Ovechkin	65​
#2	69​	#2	26​
#3	56​	#3	21​

Ovechkin 2009/2010 (Missed 10 games due to suspensions, family issues etc).

	Points/gp			Goals/gp
Ovechkin	1.51​		Ovechkin	0.69​
2nd	1.37​	10%​	2nd	0.63​	10%​
5th	1.23​	23%​	5th	0.55​	25%​
10th	1.14​	32%​	10th	0.47​	47%​
30th	0.89​	70%​	30th	0.38​	82%​

	Points/gp - caps	Goals/gp - caps
Ovechkin	1.51​	Ovechkin	0.69​
#2	1.23​	#2	0.55​
#3	1.15​	#3	0.42​

Kucherov 2018/2019:

	Points			Goals
Kucherov	128​		1st	51​	-20%​
2nd	116​	10%​	2nd	50​	-18%​
5th	100​	28%​	5th	44​	-7%​
10th	96​	33%​	10th	41​	0%​
30th	78​	64%​	30th	33​	24%​
			Kucherov	41​

	Points - bolts		Goals - bolts
Kucherov	128​	#1	45​
#2	98​	Kucherov	41​
#3	92​	#3	41​

Ovechkin's 2008/2009 was only slightly less dominant point-wise compared to the league (small enough to be trivial imo). The glaring differences is that Ovechkin had one of the best goal scoring seasons of all-time, and Kucherov was nowhere even remotely close to that.
-> PLUS, Ovechkin had 50% of the help from his team that Kucherov did in his year.
-> Side-note, Ovechkin was also 9th in the league in hits that year.

Ovechkin's 2009/2010 was also better. Yes he missed those 10 games, but it's close enough to a full season to extrapolate/compare. His dominance in points was the same, but then also kills the league in goals, and still has less team-help than Kuch did.

 

[Mrb1p]

Yeah, the guy with the highest single season point total since Jagr/Mario and back to back 30+ point cup runs.

Are we pretending Kuch isn't an elite talent or something?

We are not

Are we pretending Ovechkin isnt one of the single most impressive human being ever?

Bigger
Faster
Stronger
Smarter
Much better shooter
Probably a better stickhandler in his prime

Like what the hell, Ovi in 2008 was like a 6'3 Trevor Zegras that could fly down the wing as fast as Mcdavid and that could overpower you like no one else before.

Just watching the highlights of both seasons you can tell who is more skilled.

 

[Peltz]

Ovechkin is the greatest power forward maybe to ever play the game. Kucherov is a great top line winger but come on... he's not better than prime Ovechkin.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Is this a joke?

oh hellllllll no there is no case to be made.

 

[PeE eL DuBoiS]

Sure.

There's also a case for a flat earth, but it's a pretty shitty one.

 

[cowboy82nd]

Sure.

There's also a case for a flat earth, but it's a pretty shitty one.

What do you mean ... the earth is not flat?

 

[Golden_Jet]

No not close

 

[tsujimoto74]

As those 2 players are now? Yes. Career? lol no.

 

[Sempiternal]

No.

 

[Faceboner]

Kucherov now>ovi now
Kuch man's career<<<<ovi's career

 

[Bouboumaster]

Kucherov is a great player, one of the best of his era perhaps, but Ovechkin is a top 20 players of all time, and arguably the best goal scorer ever too.

He defined an entire generation with Crosby.

Ovechkin's legacy is pretty much untouchable by players not named Crosby or McDavid

 

[DrDangles]

Like what the hell, Ovi in 2008 was like a 6'3 Trevor Zegras that could fly down the wing as fast as Mcdavid and that could overpower you like no one else before.

That's probably the worst description of peak Ovi I've ever heard.

 

[abo9]

Yea Kucherov is better at playing hockey if you look at it objectively =Hockey skills IQ etc

"Objectively"

How do you go about to measure "Hockey skills IQ etc" objectively then?

I take Ovechkin everytime and I think that people here are downplaying Kucherov's skills, but its pretty tough to objectively say one is better than the other.