DitClapper
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Speculation: Is the Rebuild / Retool over?
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As a Leaf fan you guys are close. Krejci needs to be improved upon or return to form. Depth will come from Prospects fighting for jobs. So yea It's close.
It depends on what we do this summer.
We know what we're getting from Bergeron, Marchand, and Pastrnak. We have three elite offensive players, and Pasta should be even better next year.
Our defense is GREATLY improved just by the emergence of McAvoy. A top-4 of Chara, McAvoy, Krug, and Carlo is actually pretty damn good, assuming that Carlo's experience puts him a step ahead and McAvoy can contribute half of what he showed us in the Sens series. As a rookie he's obviously going to have his fair share of ups and downs, but I think he should be one of the leading candidates for rookie of the year. A bottom pairing of some assortment of Killer +McQuaid/Chiller/FA is plenty good enough for me.
Rask is very inconsistent but I feel great with him moving forward, especially with an improved D. I smell a bounce back season from him next year.
It's absolutely CRITICAL that we add a ~50-60 point winger for our second line. I would also love to see Krejci bounce back and have a strong season, but he needs a good winger to do that. You're not going to get a better chance with the expansion draft.
Marchand-Bergeron-Backes
X-Krejci-Pastrnak
Bjork-X-Kuraly
Acciari-Moore-Nash
(Heinen, DeBrusk, etc. in contention)
Chara-McAvoy
Krug-Carlo
Killer-X
Rask
Khudobin
Swap Backes and Pastrnak, get creative and have Backes as the 3rd line center... there are so many options I'm not even going to try too hard. If you add a good 2nd line forward, probably flesh out the bottom-6 a bit, and get consistent results from your core, I think you're getting pretty damn close.
We know what we're getting from Bergeron, Marchand, and Pastrnak. We have three elite offensive players, and Pasta should be even better next year.
Our defense is GREATLY improved just by the emergence of McAvoy. A top-4 of Chara, McAvoy, Krug, and Carlo is actually pretty damn good, assuming that Carlo's experience puts him a step ahead and McAvoy can contribute half of what he showed us in the Sens series. As a rookie he's obviously going to have his fair share of ups and downs, but I think he should be one of the leading candidates for rookie of the year. A bottom pairing of some assortment of Killer +McQuaid/Chiller/FA is plenty good enough for me.
Rask is very inconsistent but I feel great with him moving forward, especially with an improved D. I smell a bounce back season from him next year.
It's absolutely CRITICAL that we add a ~50-60 point winger for our second line. I would also love to see Krejci bounce back and have a strong season, but he needs a good winger to do that. You're not going to get a better chance with the expansion draft.
Marchand-Bergeron-Backes
X-Krejci-Pastrnak
Bjork-X-Kuraly
Acciari-Moore-Nash
(Heinen, DeBrusk, etc. in contention)
Chara-McAvoy
Krug-Carlo
Killer-X
Rask
Khudobin
Swap Backes and Pastrnak, get creative and have Backes as the 3rd line center... there are so many options I'm not even going to try too hard. If you add a good 2nd line forward, probably flesh out the bottom-6 a bit, and get consistent results from your core, I think you're getting pretty damn close.
Yes.
We've moved from 96 points when Chia was fired to 95 points while getting older.
Get the duck boats ready!
Sarcasm aside. No, it is not. It is still a process.
Who are you referencing as the "Young Nucleus"? Pastrnak's advancement was beautiful...but outside of him this team is still massively dependent on the old core: Chara, Bergeron, Rask, Marchand.
Until we have a true "pass the torch" situation from those guys, it's really hard to declare the rebuild over after 2 playoff wins.
Now, could Sweeney make this team a contender over the summer? Yes. There's a path there, but it involves moving your chips to the center of the table. Until then, it's still a process and probably another year floating 6-10.
We've moved from 96 points when Chia was fired to 95 points while getting older.
Get the duck boats ready!
Sarcasm aside. No, it is not. It is still a process.
Who are you referencing as the "Young Nucleus"? Pastrnak's advancement was beautiful...but outside of him this team is still massively dependent on the old core: Chara, Bergeron, Rask, Marchand.
Until we have a true "pass the torch" situation from those guys, it's really hard to declare the rebuild over after 2 playoff wins.
Now, could Sweeney make this team a contender over the summer? Yes. There's a path there, but it involves moving your chips to the center of the table. Until then, it's still a process and probably another year floating 6-10.
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Pastrnak as the front liner. McAvoy and Carlo becoming staples on the backend. Hopefully Debrusk enters the fold sooner rather then later.
DKH
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Bruins fans are hilarious
Unlike Buffalo Toronto Tampa Florida Detroit (now) Flyers Islanders Columbus Arizona NJ Dallas Columbus Winnipeg Edmonton Calgary Vancouver Minnesota Colorado etc the Bruins haven't sucked during this New Deal like transformation from 96 to 95 points
Did not have to dip in the 40 and 70 point or even 80's like Montreal last year
Bruins are in the 90's and Whoa rebuild retool fire everyone
I'm told it's a millennial thing whatever that actually means
Unlike Buffalo Toronto Tampa Florida Detroit (now) Flyers Islanders Columbus Arizona NJ Dallas Columbus Winnipeg Edmonton Calgary Vancouver Minnesota Colorado etc the Bruins haven't sucked during this New Deal like transformation from 96 to 95 points
Did not have to dip in the 40 and 70 point or even 80's like Montreal last year
Bruins are in the 90's and Whoa rebuild retool fire everyone
I'm told it's a millennial thing whatever that actually means
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Nine picks in the first two rounds over the last two years. Highly unusual stuff.
McAvoy, Frederic, Zboril, Senyshyn, DeBrusk, Lindgren, Lauzon, Carlo, Forsbacka-Karlsson.
It could be legendary or it could be not much of anything. Fingers crossed for the former.
McAvoy, Frederic, Zboril, Senyshyn, DeBrusk, Lindgren, Lauzon, Carlo, Forsbacka-Karlsson.
It could be legendary or it could be not much of anything. Fingers crossed for the former.
Bruinfanatic
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No rebuild ,retool definetly not over Sweeney still has a lot of work to do with the forward lines and secondary scoring.Think we all would agree.Question is does he improve it with trades,free agents or wait for prospects to step in.
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I'm hesitant to lean on Carlo and McAvoy as a "retool over" solution next season.
A couple years from now sure, but I wouldn't call either a staple at this point. McAvoy doesn't even have a regular season game under his belt at this point. Carlo had a roller coaster of a regular season, as to be expected from a 19 year old. Defenders still typically take a long time to develop.
Patience, good decision making, and luck will all remain key here.
Dennis Bonvie
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The vast majority of kids havent proven jack **** yet.
Tons of potential. But thats it right now.
Tons of potential. But thats it right now.
TheBigBadB
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Still got a lot to do.
First line good, 4th line solid. 2nd line and 3rd is junk at best. They don't need just small pieces they need some big pieces or at least a few medium pieces.
Could it be quick like DKH expects and all draftees reach or exceeds expectations? Possible..but I feel it will take a couple of prospects and a couple of savvy sign or trades, so which so far that has been Sweeneys weak spot.
Do they need to tank out. No. Are they ready to compete as currently constructed. No.
First line good, 4th line solid. 2nd line and 3rd is junk at best. They don't need just small pieces they need some big pieces or at least a few medium pieces.
Could it be quick like DKH expects and all draftees reach or exceeds expectations? Possible..but I feel it will take a couple of prospects and a couple of savvy sign or trades, so which so far that has been Sweeneys weak spot.
Do they need to tank out. No. Are they ready to compete as currently constructed. No.
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It's a work in process and I'd still label it a retooling. The older guys are either gone or on their way out while the younger guys are moving up and the kids are making amnimpact. I don't hate a core made up of Bergeron, Dk, Marchy, pasta, krug, carlo, McAvoy and Rask. Chara and backes as the vets and a handful of kids capable of stepping up.
Cory Trevor
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No, it's not done.
Need a legitimate center prospect under 25 an one or both of Carlo and McAvoy to step up and be a bonafide top 4 player on the blueline and then yes, it's done and they can compete. Our core forwards minus Pasta are older, but still young enough for another run in the next 3 years.
Still really two or three players away from sniffing real Conference Final action.
Need a legitimate center prospect under 25 an one or both of Carlo and McAvoy to step up and be a bonafide top 4 player on the blueline and then yes, it's done and they can compete. Our core forwards minus Pasta are older, but still young enough for another run in the next 3 years.
Still really two or three players away from sniffing real Conference Final action.
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The retool isn't successful unless Sweeney gets 6-7 impact players. He's halfway there with Carlo pastrnak and mcavoy. Needs hopefully 3 of Colin miller, debrusk, Zboril, lauzon, senyshyn, donato, Bjork, Frederic, lindgren, Gabrielle, cehlarik,heinen, vatrano to pan out as legitimate top 9 or top 4 players. Vatranos close, Colin Miller is close. Everyone else jury is out. But hitting 3-4/12 is doable
Bruins4Lifer
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No, it's not done. The Bruins are in an uncomfortable situation where the progression and development of their good and promising young players is chasing the tail end of the prime of their aging core players in a race that they will never win.
Ice Nine
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Not done.
Feeling better about the future of the defensive core with Krug, Carlo, and McAvoy the future leaders, though latter two still need more NHL games.
Looking at the forwards, we have Pasta and some blue chip young wingers in the system like Sens and Debrusk, but I'm worried we don't have a young C who is an obvious heir apparent to either Bergeron or Krejci.
It's not Spooner. And while we have JFK and Frederic in the system, they're nowhere near a sure bet at this stage.
Feeling better about the future of the defensive core with Krug, Carlo, and McAvoy the future leaders, though latter two still need more NHL games.
Looking at the forwards, we have Pasta and some blue chip young wingers in the system like Sens and Debrusk, but I'm worried we don't have a young C who is an obvious heir apparent to either Bergeron or Krejci.
It's not Spooner. And while we have JFK and Frederic in the system, they're nowhere near a sure bet at this stage.
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Far from complete.
I feel we need to trade Krejci, Spooner, Belesky.
We're going to expose Hayes, McQuaid, and a Miller.
Or maybe the Knights would take Beleskey off our hands?
After that free agency is very important.
And any trades to reinforce the team would be great.
Is it worth it to hold onto Krejci, should we trade him, or is Backes just too unreliable to be a top 6 player anymore?
I feel we need to trade Krejci, Spooner, Belesky.
We're going to expose Hayes, McQuaid, and a Miller.
Or maybe the Knights would take Beleskey off our hands?
After that free agency is very important.
And any trades to reinforce the team would be great.
Is it worth it to hold onto Krejci, should we trade him, or is Backes just too unreliable to be a top 6 player anymore?
Not complete
They've done a good jog with the Defense, I feel confortable. Fowards are a totaly different reality. As of now we don't have any reason to think the team will be able to replace Bergeron/Krejci in the next 3-4 years, our offense is allready thine with those guys, so it won't be fun.
Of course it still early and we could struck gold with some of them, but it's not likely it happen. We'll have a better idea next year after alot of them start their pro career.
Players of Krejci/Bergeron/Marchand/Pastrnak/Lucic/Seguin level generally quickly show sign of dominance when they turn pro.
Bergeron: Solid Nhler at 18, Ahl star at 19, Nhl star at 20
Krejci: Wjc star at 19, ahl star at 20
Lucic: solid Nhler at 19, competant 1st liner at 20
Marchand: Wjc star at 19, 74pts in 95 games in the Ahl at 20, star in the Ahl at 21
Seguin: Star in the Nhl at 19
Pastrnak: Wjc + Ahl star at 18, Nhl star at 20
Top quality foward generally show what they got really quickly, but there's still some Marty St-Louis, Sedins twins, etc. but those are exception, not the rule. It's not realistic to think we may have 3-4 exceptions in the same group of prospects.
On a side note, really happy about Debrusk debut as a pro, I think we can still hope for 2nd line upside and I would be thrill if JFK/Senyshyn fight for the team leader in scoring with the PBruins next year like Debrusk just did.
They've done a good jog with the Defense, I feel confortable. Fowards are a totaly different reality. As of now we don't have any reason to think the team will be able to replace Bergeron/Krejci in the next 3-4 years, our offense is allready thine with those guys, so it won't be fun.
Of course it still early and we could struck gold with some of them, but it's not likely it happen. We'll have a better idea next year after alot of them start their pro career.
Players of Krejci/Bergeron/Marchand/Pastrnak/Lucic/Seguin level generally quickly show sign of dominance when they turn pro.
Bergeron: Solid Nhler at 18, Ahl star at 19, Nhl star at 20
Krejci: Wjc star at 19, ahl star at 20
Lucic: solid Nhler at 19, competant 1st liner at 20
Marchand: Wjc star at 19, 74pts in 95 games in the Ahl at 20, star in the Ahl at 21
Seguin: Star in the Nhl at 19
Pastrnak: Wjc + Ahl star at 18, Nhl star at 20
Top quality foward generally show what they got really quickly, but there's still some Marty St-Louis, Sedins twins, etc. but those are exception, not the rule. It's not realistic to think we may have 3-4 exceptions in the same group of prospects.
On a side note, really happy about Debrusk debut as a pro, I think we can still hope for 2nd line upside and I would be thrill if JFK/Senyshyn fight for the team leader in scoring with the PBruins next year like Debrusk just did.
