The point being if JE was the player he was expected to be, there wouldn't be any debate whatsoever.
Is the Golden Knights' problem Jack Eichel?
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The problem is the GM's cannot help but shop with his Cap Visa card. But then again, JK's salary is the problem, not his performance. I do think he's a bit overrated though.
As a Calgary fan, I wasn’t thrilled when the Flames were rumoured to be in on Eichel when all the trade talk started. Is he a good center? Yes definitely. Is he a superstar center? I didn’t think he’d shown enough to prove that he was. And the price to get him in picks/ prospects plus cap room was always going to be superstar-level.
He’s still a good player and not the reason the Knights will likely miss the playoffs. But I also don’t think he’s worth what the franchise gave up for him.
He’s still a good player and not the reason the Knights will likely miss the playoffs. But I also don’t think he’s worth what the franchise gave up for him.
cupcrazyman
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Expansion teams have no business being contenders.They should have to struggle for 5-7 years. lol
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Eichel was never going to be a this year top line center and leader. He’s coming off a big surgery and hasn’t played in a long time. There shouldn’t be expectations of him to be any more than he has been, in fact he’s probably doing more than expected. Next year is when the expectations are more fair. I say that as someone who generally thinks Jack is a brat.
Injures are huge this year, but I also question the big moves every year with so many guys coming and going. It has to affect chemistry and it seems like they’re a new squad every season. Adding a number one center on the middle of the season could mess up the chemistry of any team even if the guy was healthy. All the changes had to catch up in some ways, though I assume if they had been healthy all year they’d be fine and in the playoffs.
Injures are huge this year, but I also question the big moves every year with so many guys coming and going. It has to affect chemistry and it seems like they’re a new squad every season. Adding a number one center on the middle of the season could mess up the chemistry of any team even if the guy was healthy. All the changes had to catch up in some ways, though I assume if they had been healthy all year they’d be fine and in the playoffs.
What makes hockey so great is unlike baseball and basketball you can’t just grab a bunch of stars, play em together and expect to win all the time. Hockey requires a greater savvy and understanding that every roster spot matters and at some point everyone is required to contribute. What Vegas is trying to do is defy that characteristic and failing miserably in the process.
Been saying it for years, he is the Carmelo Anthony/James Harden of the NHL. Lots of talent, little to no effort, quits when his team is down, has superstar talent but not the superstar drive/work ethic and his idgaf attitude is horrible for a locker room. Maybe when Stone comes back next year he'll perform a little better with good leadership around. But I got to see him a decent amount when he was on Buffalo, it really seems like he's concerned with his own individual success/scoring than he is with team success.
Leafidelity
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Eichel isn't even a little bit of the problem. Vegas and Eichel will do just fine next year when everyone is healthy.
Eichel is massively underrated; many posts here will look silly when he gets a training camp and back up to speed.
Eichel is massively underrated; many posts here will look silly when he gets a training camp and back up to speed.
Seras
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He came off an injury that was seriously botched by his previous team, likely needs a season to get back to what he can do.
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Blaming one player seems like an oversimplification. I wasn't the biggest Kovalchuk fan, but I remember most of the media pointed to him as the sole reason the Devils missed the playoffs in 2011. That was a little bit misplaced since injuries on defense was what sunk that season. The following year when everybody was healthy, the Devils were back to being a 100 point team.
Vegas has some things to sort through in the offseason, but seems a bit early to blame one guy.
Vegas has some things to sort through in the offseason, but seems a bit early to blame one guy.
Kovalchuk carried that team to the finals as well
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There isn’t a debate though. Not a real one anyways.
But I digress, Eichel then is a different player to Eichel now.
He did his part, that team had sneaky good depth. Even the back half of 2010-11, the Devils record was pretty good once the D got healthy, but they just dug too big a hole under John MacLean.
I think that was the year when Lou finally subscribed to the thought of LD vs. RD.
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He has been the player he was expected to be when healthy. The problem is no one expected that would only amount to 60 games in 6 years after his rookie season.
Year 1:
81 GP 56 points
Healthy, but he was a rookie and it was a lower scoring era.
Year 2:
61 GP 57 Points
missed 20 games to a high ankle sprain and was never 100%
Year 3:
67 GP 64 points
missed 15 games to a high ankle sprain in the other leg, still not 100% from the previous high ankle sprain. Never was 100%
Year 4:
77 GP 82 points
still not 100% from the previous seasons high ankle sprain, missed 5 games, can't remember what the injury was
Year 5:
68GP 78points (final 13 games canceled to covid)
healthy for the first 60ish games, still manages to miss a game in the middle of that stretch to injury. Production falls off a cliff due to injury the final 8 games of the season but he was still playing
Year 6:
21gp 18 points
Still nursing the same injuries from the end of year 5, and missed training camp due to a broken rib a few days prior (edited the rib injury). Aggravates his neck to point of needing surgery and misses the rest of the season
Year 7:
31 gp 21 points
fresh off surgery
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PunchImlach is Alive
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I'm interested to see how Vegas handles him. A lot of vets have been put at Eichel's side to try and guide him as a leader and it hasn't seemed to stick. I honestly don't think he's a good fit for Vegas. He could have a monster season next year maybe but if that doesn't play out, I think Eichel needs a team in a different situation if he hasn't found his ceiling yet. It would never happen but throwing him to Seattle or Arizona takes a lot of pressure off trying to be everything to everyone with a $10m contract. Seems like a joke just coming from Buffalo but Buffalo has been stale for a long time. The fanbase wanted a winner before Eichel even got there.
He didn't break the rib in training camp. He came to camp with the broken rib.
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Yep, forgot the details on that. Broke it on the ice doing shooting drills days before training camp and missed most or all of camp.
I feel like he needs a team with a strong leadership core in place, now Vegas has that but the problem is their Leader is out. He can't be "the guy" . Offensively yes you want him to be your best producer, but as the leader/image of the franchise, he can't be that guy. If he can follow the lead of Stone/Pietro/Patches he can become a great player but he really needs to drop the ego and just be willing to learn, willing to commit to a team game and not quitting when the odds are against you. Like he possesses all the tools, just not the mindset.
Good numbers, but not what was expected of him and certainly not worthy of 10 mil a year.
Tage thompson’s first year replacing him as 1c? Surpasses Eichel’s season high in goals.
When eichel outscores tage thompson, then you can come in here and start dunking on Sabres fans prematurely dunking
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Pavel Buchnevich
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Sabres fans trying to revise history. Eichel was a top three player in the league at his best for the Sabres. Add a 0 to the 3 and Tage Thompson hasn’t been that league wide this season. I’m not dunking on the Sabres. I’m a neutral fan that thinks the Sabre fan dunking is not well timed.Tage thompson’s first year replacing him as 1c? Surpasses Eichel’s season high in goals.
When eichel outscores tage thompson, then you can come in here and start dunking on Sabres fans prematurely dunking
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I still think Jack hits the 100 point threshold with Vegas next year. The guy has the tools and he definitely takes losing hard.
That might not make him a clutch performer or a good leader, but the talent is there.
He was, it should be noted, able to practice without contact for most of the time he was sidelined. So it wasn't like he went from 0 to 60. But overall, he played a very small amount of NHL hockey the two years prior to returning, and I imagine he was quite rusty.
That might not make him a clutch performer or a good leader, but the talent is there.
He was, it should be noted, able to practice without contact for most of the time he was sidelined. So it wasn't like he went from 0 to 60. But overall, he played a very small amount of NHL hockey the two years prior to returning, and I imagine he was quite rusty.
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Uh, I don't think he was ever that, or ever will be.
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