Is the draft lottery working?

[blankall]

I understand why LAK fans are disappointed, but the purpose of the new rule is to ensure competitiveness. Does anyone think that the last place team could have done nothing to move them into 4th last for example? All of the non-competitive teams need help. Rewarding last place with generational players makes no sense. No you do not deserve anything because you managed to outsuck the next worst team.

 

[Daz28]

It's not nonsense at all. Perennial ineptitude should not be rewarded. There are plenty of talented players available between picks 2-8 every single year.

If you punish perennial ineptitude, how can a team get better. May as well just say if ya suck 5 years straight, you're out the league. Imagine using this as a tool to make a student a better student. Look son, if you fail your exams again this year, we're not even buying you any textbooks next year. The lottery is just another stupid new idea that sports leagues like to employ to make their sports, which people were already perfectly happy watching, 'better'. If they changed football rules back to 1976, I'd be just fine with a referee making a mistake, as long as I don't have to be happy then unhappy 4-5 times/game, because a guy was 6 inches short of the first down. Human error exists, and the fact it still exist under these new 'as perfect as possible' conditions is maddening. I'd argue 98% of the time good teams overcame a bad/missed call to win the game. I'm ok with that margin of error. Oh ya, missed calls are just as likely to happen to either team, so in the grand scheme of things, they even out.

 

[IslesNorway]

Why not have a slightly weighted lottery for the 1st overall and then just a random draw for the other 14?

 

[TheOtherOne]

How about this instead.

The last place team in each division goes into the top pool, and all the other non-playoff teams go into the second pool.

The first 4 draft picks go totally randomly to the 4 division losers (25% chance each).
Then the 5-15 picks go totally randomly to the other non-playoff teams.

Or alternatively

First 4 picks go to 4 division losers.
5-11 go to middle non-playoff teams.
12-15 go to 4 division leaders among non-playoff teams.

I like this for a couple reasons.
- Makes divisions more relevant, with top picks being spread out among them.
- Less chance at 2 teams near season end directly in a position where losing benefits them.
- No chance at playoff bubble teams getting lottery picks.
- Randomness means you can't game the system as much.

Any takers?

EDIT: Third and simpler alternative:
First 4 picks go randomly to 4 division losers.
ALL other picks go directly in reverse order (lower standings, earlier pick).

 

[Embryo]

I am very pleased with how the draft lottery went this year - From a NY Rangers fan.

LETS GO RANGERS!!!

 

[AlphaBravo]

I like the idea of an NHL lottery because it prevents tanking and helps distribute talent throughout the non-playoff teams so that one team doesn't finish bottom every year and get all the top new talent. But, there should be a rule preventing the same team from getting the 1st or 2nd overall in a span of 3-5 years. The rule should be that the same team can't get those 1/2 draft picks for another 3-5 years once they get it. Also, teams that are just short of making the playoffs should not be in contention for the top 3 picks. Only the bottom 4 or 5 from each conference should be in the lottery for the top 3 picks.

 

[txpd]

it always amazes me how often people whine about the bad teams getting the first/early picks in the draft. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make them all drink. But some will. The Pens took a lot of early picks to get it right. The Caps fewer. The Canes look great after a slog. It helped the Leafs and so far not the Sabres. Its what you do with it.

 

[Seattle Totems]

It amazes me that people generally arent too concerned that the Chicago Blackhawks go to the front of the line again. What's it going to take to see how unfair this lottery is? Do the Penguins need to win the lottery next year for people to wake up?

 

[Seattle Totems]

I am very pleased with how the draft lottery went this year - From a NY Rangers fan.

LETS GO RANGERS!!!

The Rangers dont go to the trough ever and they arent a powerhouse. They should get awarded top picks before teams like Chicago and Edmonton.

 

[lawrence]

seen it for 4 years now, and it's actually not working as more teams are being screwed over, and the wrong teams are being rewarded. in what planet does Philly in2017 and Chicago drafts in the top 3, meanwhile the worst team in the league wouldn't even be drafting in the top 3, not to mention, around 9 teams are dropping one spot when they actually shouldn't be dropping a spot, of course some teams are dropping 2-3, so no it's not working.

 

[Ingvar]

I actually like it. I like how top picks went to Philly and Carolina and hope they make the most out of it because they try to win. It helps to push the teams over the top and forces bad teams to actually learn how to draft instead of hoping for the magical 1st overall. Giving guaranteed top picks to perennial suckers doesn’t help them, maybe they should try to build a competent team out of lower draft picks and wait to get rewarded by hockey gods instead.

I can even tolerate a pick going to Chicago if the system works for bubble teams.

 

[Gamimenos]

If you want to encourage competitiveness and eliminate the tanking model, just make the bubble team positions have the highest odds of winning the lottery. It will take the decision making aspect of it away at the very least. Win now all the time.

 

[canuckster19]

It amazes me that people generally arent too concerned that the Chicago Blackhawks go to the front of the line again. What's it going to take to see how unfair this lottery is? Do the Penguins need to win the lottery next year for people to wake up?

One year, and it will happen, some elite team is going to have a lot of mid season, season killing injuries, barely miss the playoffs and win the lottery.

As a fan of a team that's never had a first overall (lest you count the time Burke temporarily traded for one at the 99 draft), nor been in a last place position to potentially receive one unless you count the inaugural expansion season, I think it's a joke. We were screwed royally in 2016 and are still paying it's toll, thankfully a couple decent players have fallen into our laps the past couple years.

 

[Bluesguru]

The draft lottery looks so fake. Don’t trust it at all. Why can’t they just put all the allotted balls with team logos on them and run them in the machine that way so everyone can see the draw. What is it with the 4 numbers and some guy looks on a sheet and says who gets the pick. So bogus. If there’s 14 teams and 1001 combinations, how come the guy finds the team in 2 seconds? Such BS.

 

[Debrincat93]

no, the current model is stupid.
There's no reason to justify the idea of allowing a team like chicago to move up to 3 versus a team like LAK is asinine and the logic isnt there.

i would even say the same if Detroit won the lotto and we were 15th place.
Id love having it, but the logic of us having it would be just beyond asinine and idiotic.

i like Burke's idea of only the top 5 teams should have access to it.

 

[Debrincat93]

If you want to encourage competitiveness and eliminate the tanking model, just make the bubble team positions have the highest odds of winning the lottery. It will take the decision making aspect of it away at the very least. Win now all the time.

or.. cap how frequent the team gets the lotto pick.

Buffalo won it in 2018, propose they cant have a #1 pick for 3 years. Dont continuously reward people for inferior models.

 

[Seattle Totems]

or.. cap how frequent the team gets the lotto pick.

Buffalo won it in 2018, propose they cant have a #1 pick for 3 years. Dont continuously reward people for inferior models.

The cap on Buffalo being awarded 1st should be more like every 10 or 15 years. The fact that the league uses a lottery and doesnt automatically award the 1st pick.speaks to how scarce and how important that pick is.

 

[Bonham]

The draft lottery looks so fake. Don’t trust it at all. Why can’t they just put all the allotted balls with team logos on them and run them in the machine that way so everyone can see the draw. What is it with the 4 numbers and some guy looks on a sheet and says who gets the pick. So bogus. If there’s 14 teams and 1001 combinations, how come the guy finds the team in 2 seconds? Such BS.

Because computers exist?

It works that way for good reason - - it's a lottery. They distribute thousands of combinations based on weighted odds for each team and draw the balls making up the combinations for each top pick.

Your method would require thousands of balls to make up the same odds. Pointless.

 

[Bluesguru]

Because computers exist?

It works that way for good reason - - it's a lottery. They distribute thousands of combinations based on weighted odds for each team and draw the balls making up the combinations for each top pick.

Your method would require thousands of balls to make up the same odds. Pointless.

Who says you need thousands of balls to reach a weighted pct by team? There’s no way you can conveniently look on your sheet and find the answer in 2 seconds without it being rehearsed and that was rehearsed. It’s all bogus.

 

[NeverBeNormal]

Not for the Avs.

 

[njdevils1982]

The draft lottery looks so fake. Don’t trust it at all. Why can’t they just put all the allotted balls with team logos on them and run them in the machine that way so everyone can see the draw. What is it with the 4 numbers and some guy looks on a sheet and says who gets the pick. So bogus. If there’s 14 teams and 1001 combinations, how come the guy finds the team in 2 seconds? Such BS.

Who says you need thousands of balls to reach a weighted pct by team? There’s no way you can conveniently look on your sheet and find the answer in 2 seconds without it being rehearsed and that was rehearsed. It’s all bogus.

the league releases the combinations prior to the draw….not hard to find the match quickly



http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/pdfs/NHL-Lottery-2019-By-COMBINATION-ID.pdf

 

[Mandar]

Who says you need thousands of balls to reach a weighted pct by team? There’s no way you can conveniently look on your sheet and find the answer in 2 seconds without it being rehearsed and that was rehearsed. It’s all bogus.

Trust me....the earth is round, and we actually landed on the moon.

 

[McShogun99]

It should just be one lottery for all the non playoff teams for 1st overall and that’s it. This way you can only move down a maximum of one spot.

 

[TLEH]

I like the lottery. If I was a team that had a terrible record, I'd be annoyed, but at the same time, I'm not so sure that you should be guaranteed anything just for losing. Look at baseball, teams literally put terrible product on the field on purpose, plenty of them, because of a guarantee. I like this system because there is no guarantee. You should still just focus on winning, focus on your young players learning how to win. Seeing how hard veterans play even when they're out of the playoffs.

 

[McRpro]

It's not working anymore. The Oilers haven't won in 4 years!