Is the draft lottery working?

[GOilers88]

lol how is tanking 'made up'?

It's a made up problem. Teams aren't intentionally trying to finish dead last to get the first overall draft pick. The only example I can think of in the last 15 years was Buffalo for McDavid. Some people say Toronto for Matthews, but I don't think so. Tanking infers that players are also intentionally trying to lose, and that's just not happening.

Edmonton, for all their first overalls were never tanking. They were, and still are, terribly constructed teams by amazingly stupid people.

Do we really think Ottawa tried to lose this year knowing their pick wasn't even theirs anymore?

Bad teams are bad. They finish at the bottom. Bad teams trading players for picks is how you rebuild your organization. That doesn't automatically mean that players, coaches and management are saying "Okay guys, let's go out there and throw this game so we can hopefully draft this 18 year old kid so we can tear it up in 3 years!"

The only people that want to see their teams lose on purpose are the fans. Like I said, finishing last doesn't mean a team threw the season to do it, but around here last place = tank = rebuild

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Funny because this new lottery rule was made because of Edmonton

 

[LDF]

Yeah it's pretty ridiculous to watch decent teams slide in front of teams that struggled. It should never happen that way, and I hope the NHL does something to address this issue.

that is pure subjective pov without proof.

 

[LDF]

I was quoting someone that said that Chicago "earned" to pick above bottom feeders because they were competitive while other mediocre teams got mid 1sts.

my point was that type of logic is silly to reward one random mediocre team to the point that they pick higher than the worst teams in league while the rest of mediocre teams get mid rounders. The top picks should be given to the worst teams

you are reacting to a opinion of some kind. whether it is sour or sweet as honey but it is a random opinion.

 

[LDF]

It's about trying to shape behavior: it was Chicago this year, it was Carolina last year, it could have been anybody like that (or nobody like that). The Schmaltz-Strome trade will play out over the long term, but maybe they got 5-10 points this year because they made a good hockey trade and Dylan Strome played well.

The Islanders were supposed to be years and years away, I'm looking at predictions before this season. Sporting News: bottom of the Metro. And everyone knew the Devils and especially the Rangers would be what they were. But the Islanders hired a "winning" coach, not a "development" coach, they signed a bunch of depth veterans who fit in and they hit 100 points. They could have put out one of those Charles Wang teams, and maybe them, Chicago and the Habs would have if the odds weren't flattened.

The system still rewards failure, there's still a direct correlation between putting putrid garbage on the ice and getting rewarded with stars in the draft, it's just not as strong as people would like.

you made a excellent pov. i really like it, but i strongly disagree with the bold.

in that bold, i keep thinking on a planned, set-up idea that had more than 1 person or group involve. that is called a conspiracy to defraud....... are you and anyone else really think the owners will do this, allow this to happen ?? tanking is soooo close to that idea of not playing hard enuf to affect the out come of the game. now i think back on the famous "BLACK-SOX" cheating and i really have problems here.

no one can justify cheating to me for any reason |s|.

 

[abo9]

I completely get why a lot of people are pissed Chicago moved up but didnt Carolina move up from 11 to 3 last year? I dontd recall many people being angry about that. It's just that it's Chicago and they're the NHLs main marketing team.

People would like the NHL to manually decide the order and give it to their team based or based on who they think deserve it more haha

And for people saying players would never tank I agree. But without lottery the issue I see arising is mid-season, teams doing bad might decide to trade good players to secure a generational talent, which obviously would not happen with the lottery

 

[The don godfather]

No cellar dwellers being punished. What a joke.

 

[TryamkinPleaseReturn]

It's fine.

- Devils fan

you say that now but how comfortable would you be feeling if Taylor Hall gets traded

 

[LDF]

People would like the NHL to manually decide the order and give it to their team based or based on who they think deserve it more haha

And for people saying players would never tank I agree. But without lottery the issue I see arising is mid-season, teams doing bad might decide to trade good players to secure a generational talent, which obviously would not happen with the lottery

you are forgetting one important and this is that owners are driven by the $$$ and want to win. to win you will bring in fans who will spend $$$ .....

they the league wanted a way for all team the possibility to make a profit. but it is up to each org to have competent people running the org.

 

[PAZ]

IMO, there should only be 1 lottery for the 1st OV. The worst place team shouldn't be dropping to 4th.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

the lottery system is shit
and i hope the Edmonton Oilers will never finish 1st or 31st ever again for as long as there's life in Alberta

 

[rynryn]

f***ING CHICAGO

 

[habsterr]

The new draft lottery is great and brings excitement. The old system supported tanking teams way too much.

 

[KnuckChuckinTkachuk]

Three spots. Kings had a horrible year and could of really benefited from kakko or Hughes to help the rebuild.

LOL your team has fairly recently won 2 cups if I remember... no one is going to be shedding any tears because last nights results didn't help "the LA Kings rebuild".. take a hike lol

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

WORD! Listen NHL..

If I could give "heart" for this, I would.

Exactly how I feel about the lottery. It stinks.

 

[StreetHawk]

The new draft lottery is great and brings excitement. The old system supported tanking teams way too much.

Old system was too heavily in favour of the worst team. Limit the move up so they had 48% chance of the top pick. Too high IMO.

Fine with multiple draws but they should not have adjusted the percentages like they did. Drawing the top 3 is more than enough to get teams not to tank. Plus the removal of the limited move up.

 

[Rangers79]

I genuinely do not understand why Avs fans are upset about not getting 1 overall. They made the playoffs and get the 4th overall pick? That's amazing. Talk about greed. Lucked into Ottawa falling apart and are upset Ottawa didn't win the draft lottery. Ridiculous

 

[LDF]

I genuinely do not understand why Avs fans are upset about not getting 1 overall. They made the playoffs and get the 4th overall pick? That's amazing. Talk about greed. Lucked into Ottawa falling apart and are upset Ottawa didn't win the draft lottery. Ridiculous

plus they have 2 picks in the draft.

ref the bold, for your answer look to the bold.

 

[StreetHawk]

I genuinely do not understand why Avs fans are upset about not getting 1 overall. They made the playoffs and get the 4th overall pick? That's amazing. Talk about greed. Lucked into Ottawa falling apart and are upset Ottawa didn't win the draft lottery. Ridiculous

Avs won the MacKinnon lottery in 2013. Lost out in 2017, but would they deal Makar for any of the other 3 guys ahead of him? I’d imagine they may want Pettersson but they had a chance to take him.

Just their luck that the 2 drafts with this format that the worst team won them. But the odds were about 1/6 of winning it for the bottom team. So not really unusual results so far.

 

[Former Referee 68]

Yet people didn't like the old system because the same teams (EDM) kept getting 1st overalls.

The point of the more evenly distributed lottery is to allow for rebuilding, but discourage outright tanking a la the 2014-15 Buffalo Sabres' McDavid quest. If people thought the team in dead last needed the most help, and deserved the first overall, then the system should never have changed. But it did, because everyone got pissy over Edmonton.

And now New Jersey as well

 

[Ishad]

IMO, there should only be 1 lottery for the 1st OV. The worst place team shouldn't be dropping to 4th.

I would be okay if they did a lottery for the top 2 spots or changed the odds. 4th being the most likely outcome for the worst team in the league is dumb.

 

[Breakers]

Not for Vancouver

No team has dropped in position more than the Canucks since its implementation in 2016

so Kings fans complaining is HILARIOUS. You guys know nothing of NHL draft bad luck.

 

[Beerfish]

The lottery has proved that the importance of a quality organization trumps a lucky choice by a long shot.

 

[Anomie2029]

I think there needs to be a re-think into the amount of teams that are in the draft lottery and then the odds.
The team ranked 31st in the league has a greater chance to pick 4th (50.6%) than they do picking in the top 3.

 

[Choralone]

I think there needs to be a re-think into the amount of teams that are in the draft lottery and then the odds.
The team ranked 31st in the league has a greater chance to pick 4th (50.6%) than they do picking in the top 3.

Yeah, reducing the number of teams in the lottery is a good idea, or redistributing the chances of winning to increase the weighting towards the bottom teams.