Speculation: Stammergeddon 2024: Is Stamkos going to re-sign with the Lightning?

[Flat Ronnie]

If they let him walk, that gives more space to use but leaves many in the fan base unhappy and potentially gives them scapegoats not named Jeannot to blame any and all failures on moving forward, regardless of how the high-priced core players do or do not perform.

No it doesn't. All it does is create an even bigger hole up front. It's not like we're trading away Stamkos' cap. It's not there now. $5.5M is what we have with or without Stamkos.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Everyone here keeps saying "let Stammer walk and use the cap to sign top 6 players or depth"

As if we can replace the Stamkos production with two 3mil contracts. No one here is even mention potential/smart players to pick up. There's no guarantee we even sign those players to begin with, specially if they're top 6 guys. They ain't coming here for 2mil.

^ this 100%.

My guess is this will devolve into some people listing a bunch of mediocre players, showing some of their obscure 5v5 analytics and then claiming how all these $2-3M players will actually make the team better as opposed having Stamkos.

 

[The Gongshow]

I do think we need to move a player or two, regardless. Cirelli is probably the one that should go, but his NTd kicks in on Monday. And even then we'd be down a complete 2nd line and now down 3 top 6 players. But Stamkos (signed) would be our 2C and he's had chemistry with Paul.

The roster is a mess regardless. JBB is paid for this, so he needs to get going and make some big moves in order to fix the cap situation, contract situation and roster situation. I don't have much faith in him, but he's still the Tampa GM. He's got a tough job this summer, fot sure

 

[JTBF81]

But again, $5.5M isn't enough for a good Stamkos replacement. Let alone someone who is gonna make up for the fact we now have a glaring hole in the top 6 with no more money to spend.

5.5 to 6 is enough to more than enough to possibly get one of Duchene, JAM, Teravainen, Toffoli, Kane, Tarasenko, Stephenson to consider signing if Stamkos walks. Sure they would have their deficiencies, as does Stamkos, but any of them would be a decent top 6 F option for the team in ufa. There was always going to be a perceived "hole" in the top 6, regardless of whether it was Stamkos or another F using that 5.5 to 6 in cap space. There was no good way of avoiding that once JBB committed to a large expenditure to try and improve the defense.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

5.5 to 6 is enough to more than enough to possibly get one of Duchene, JAM, Teravainen, Toffoli, Kane, Tarasenko, Stephenson to consider signing if Stamkos walks. Sure they would have their deficiencies, as does Stamkos, but any of them would be a decent top 6 F option for the team in ufa. There was always going to be a perceived "hole" in the top 6, regardless of whether it was Stamkos or another F using that 5.5 to 6 in cap space. There was no good way of avoiding that once JBB committed to a large expenditure to try and improve the defense.

If Stamkos walks, definitely on the Toffoli train

 

[JTBF81]

This is why trading Sergachev is the best step forward.


Also why we need to trade Sergachev.

We cant run "status quo but maybe worse" which is what we will get if we try to go as cheap as possible on depth in order the keep Stamkos. We need a major move to both bring in pieces and free up money.

Agreed, if keeping Stamkos while still being able to improve the team with maximum capability is the goal, then trading Sergachev from a positional area of strength is the right move. He also likely provides the best return in terms of picks and/or ready prospects, and his trade, in addition to Jeannot and Sheary being traded(or perhaps bought out in case of Sheary if necessary), provides the team with more than enough to keep Stamkos, still add another decent F, and add another depth dman. This is all in adfitionnto filling the other roster spots and replenishing the cupboard some. It won't happen most likely, as will neither the much less beneficial hypothetical Cirelli or Cernak trades, but moving Serg does seem to be the best move for short term success.

 

[Rschmitz]

JBB could shock us all and trade Cirelli(he's made it clear Sergachev and Cernak are staying), but I seriously doubt it. JBB isn't in a position to offer Stamkos a contract anymore. we aren't even talking to his camp. Discussion about his value just feels like a mental exercise, I think the evidence clearly shows how management values him, and that is not a lot.

 

[Zwui21]

 

[DFC]

Agreed, if keeping Stamkos while still being able to improve the team with maximum capability is the goal, then trading Sergachev from a positional area of strength is the right move. He also likely provides the best return in terms of picks and/or ready prospects, and his trade, in addition to Jeannot and Sheary being traded(or perhaps bought out in case of Sheary if necessary), provides the team with more than enough to keep Stamkos, still add another decent F, and add another depth dman. This is all in adfitionnto filling the other roster spots and replenishing the cupboard some. It won't happen most likely, as will neither the much less beneficial hypothetical Cirelli or Cernak trades, but moving Serg does seem to be the best move for short term success.

If JBB signed McD without planning for more moves, I'll lose all faith. I love bring in McD to give us a cushion for the tough move(s) we have to make. But bringing him in just to lose a more valuable piece makes no sense.

 

[NatoGhost]

How much will Sam Reinhart get?

If Stamkos left, he's a right shot sniper for our PP and obviously a younger sniper. I think a shooter for the top 6 is important if we lose Stamkos. Point & Kuch can shoot of course by they're not snipers. He'll probably demand quite a bit more than Stamkos though?

 

[gn2007]

How much will Sam Reinhart get?

If Stamkos left, he's a right shot sniper for our PP and obviously a younger sniper. I think a shooter for the top 6 is important if we lose Stamkos. Point & Kuch can shoot of course by they're not snipers. He'll probably demand quite a bit more than Stamkos though?

A team will pay reinhart easily 8-9.5 mil. With how he was on the PP many teams will be wanting that guy who has a shoot first mentality on the powerplay.

I think sheary gets bought out and jeannot is traded. Stammer signs for 5 years 32.5 mil

 

[VinikToWinIt]

How much will Sam Reinhart get?

If Stamkos left, he's a right shot sniper for our PP and obviously a younger sniper. I think a shooter for the top 6 is important if we lose Stamkos. Point & Kuch can shoot of course by they're not snipers. He'll probably demand quite a bit more than Stamkos though?

Yes, we would have to pay Reinhart way more than we would have to pay Stamkos.

That one’s not happening barring a huge team shakeup.

 

[DFC]

How much will Sam Reinhart get?

If Stamkos left, he's a right shot sniper for our PP and obviously a younger sniper. I think a shooter for the top 6 is important if we lose Stamkos. Point & Kuch can shoot of course by they're not snipers. He'll probably demand quite a bit more than Stamkos though?

12 million? Guy flirted with 60 goals and scored the cup winner. Basically, whatever money they can fit in a dump truck.

 

[Todd1a]

If JBB signed McD without planning for more moves, I'll lose all faith. I love bring in McD to give us a cushion for the tough move(s) we have to make. But bringing him in just to lose a more valuable piece makes no sense.

JBB is thinking this that Mac is more important than Stamkos and improving the defense in front of vasy was more important because now for
The last two years guys vasy hasn’t been elite anymore.

 

[Crunchrulz]

No it doesn't. All it does is create an even bigger hole up front. It's not like we're trading away Stamkos' cap. It's not there now. $5.5M is what we have with or without Stamkos.

With 5.335 million avail and only 18 roster spaces signed signing Stamkos is going to take most if not all of that space.

Buying out Sheary's 2 mil contract helps, as does trading Jeannot's 2.665 mil. Both of those give a bit of space depending on what else is involved in trading Jeannot.

Serge's contract is 8.5 mil. While it is a nice figure to try and shed, what is the cost going to be in return? In an ideal world, we could get a couple of prospects and draft picks. That being typed, many organizations throughout the NHL seem to be wary of dealing with the Lightning as we have proven more often than not in the past to be a better judge of their prospects and how they fit the Lightning system than they are.

Reality is even if we sign Stamkos to another "sweetheart" deal in the 5 mil range and shed Sheary's contract without any takers for Jeannot, we are left with ten forwards, six defensemen, and two goaltenders with 2.335 mil left to fill four roster spots if they go with 22.

 

[The Gongshow]

With 5.335 million avail and only 18 roster spaces signed signing Stamkos is going to take most if not all of that space.

Buying out Sheary's 2 mil contract helps, as does trading Jeannot's 2.665 mil. Both of those give a bit of space depending on what else is involved in trading Jeannot.

Serge's contract is 8.5 mil. While it is a nice figure to try and shed, what is the cost going to be in return? In an ideal world, we could get a couple of prospects and draft picks. That being typed, many organizations throughout the NHL seem to be wary of dealing with the Lightning as we have proven more often than not in the past to be a better judge of their prospects and how they fit the Lightning system than they are.

Reality is even if we sign Stamkos to another "sweetheart" deal in the 5 mil range and shed Sheary's contract without any takers for Jeannot, we are left with ten forwards, six defensemen, and two goaltenders with 2.335 mil left to fill four roster spots if they go with 22.

JBB has to move some players.

If JBB let's Stamkos walk and just signs 4 vet min, bottom 6 players the team does not get better.

We're screwed capwise no matter what, but top 6, productive forward >>> bottom 6 role players at this point.

Cirelli, Serg, Cernak, Perbix, Sheary, Jeannot should all be at least explored, although the two D are most likely not going anywhere since JBB wanted to tighten up the backend. Anyway you look at it Cirelli is the odd man out.

 

[JTBF81]

A team will pay reinhart easily 8-9.5 mil. With how he was on the PP many teams will be wanting that guy who has a shoot first mentality on the powerplay.

I think sheary gets bought out and jeannot is traded. Stammer signs for 5 years 32.5 mil

Paying Stamkos 6.25 doesn't work in that scenario. After trading Jeannot and buying out Sheary, they'd have 9.55 available or thereabouts after counting the 583k buyout hit. After Stamkos at 6.25 and Lilleberg or Crozier as the 7th dman at 870k, they'd have ~2.4 left for 4 forwards. They could roll with 21 players and sign 3 800k guys I suppose, but that seems like a poor strategy.

 

[JTBF81]

JBB has to move some players.

If JBB let's Stamkos walk and just signs 4 vet min, bottom 6 players the team does not get better.

We're screwed capwise no matter what, but top 6, productive forward >>> bottom 6 role players at this point.

Cirelli, Serg, Cernak, Perbix, Sheary, Jeannot should all be at least explored, although the two D are most likely not going anywhere since JBB wanted to tighten up the backend. Anyway you look at it Cirelli is the odd man out.

Trading Cirelli does nothing but weaken an already thin area even more. Neannot, Sheary, and Perbix are all valid trade candidates, although moving Perbik likely only saves 250ishk after having Lillenerg and Crozier take the last two spots. Serg is the big piece that should ne explored, as trading him solves many short term issues, with the negative being the mod to long term loss of the possibility that Serg finally realizes his potential and becomes a true 1D.

 

[Crunchrulz]

Paying Stamkos 6.25 doesn't work in that scenario. After trading Jeannot and buying out Sheary, they'd have 9.55 available or thereabouts after counting the 583k buyout hit. After Stamkos at 6.25 and Lilleberg or Crozier as the 7th dman at 870k, they'd have ~2.4 left for 4 forwards. They could roll with 21 players and sign 3 800k guys I suppose, but that seems like a poor strategy.

Which would lead to the very same thing we have seen the last two seasons; an exhausted core group who does not have talented support and a first-round exit if they make the playoffs.

Going all in for that amazing run appears to have finally caught up with the organization this offseason. Many feel there is "one more good run" left in this group, but we have said the same thing for what is now the last three off seasons.

 

[Rschmitz]

Could happen with us, I don't think we are above bringing in a one dimensional forward if it means filling a top 6 hole for cheap.

 

[gn2007]

With 5.335 million avail and only 18 roster spaces signed signing Stamkos is going to take most if not all of that space.

Buying out Sheary's 2 mil contract helps, as does trading Jeannot's 2.665 mil. Both of those give a bit of space depending on what else is involved in trading Jeannot.

Serge's contract is 8.5 mil. While it is a nice figure to try and shed, what is the cost going to be in return? In an ideal world, we could get a couple of prospects and draft picks. That being typed, many organizations throughout the NHL seem to be wary of dealing with the Lightning as we have proven more often than not in the past to be a better judge of their prospects and how they fit the Lightning system than they are.

Reality is even if we sign Stamkos to another "sweetheart" deal in the 5 mil range and shed Sheary's contract without any takers for Jeannot, we are left with ten forwards, six defensemen, and two goaltenders with 2.335 mil left to fill four roster spots if they go with 22.

I think that's why they been doing all those two way deals. Nuclear option will be trade cirelli or cernak lol. Optional that really make not much difference is trade perbix.

 

[JTBF81]

Which would lead to the very same thing we have seen the last two seasons; an exhausted core group who does not have talented support and a first-round exit if they make the playoffs.

Going all in for that amazing run appears to have finally caught up with the organization this offseason. Many feel there is "one more good run" left in this group, but we have said the same thing for what is now the last three off seasons.

Team was good enough two years ago, but Vasy sucked. Last year, team struggled in a few areas(mainly defense and goaltending for awhile), but still began to figure it out towards the end of the season before unfortunately running into the best team in the league in round one. The depth was worse last year but the offense was still capable. They've addressed the defense and now it's just a matter of whether keeping Stamkos is worth having less depth again, or losing him(or Sergachev imo) provides more of a spread out lineup, but without perhaps a 40 goal scorer.

 

[These Are The Days]

I think that's why they been doing all those two way deals. Nuclear option will be trade cirelli or cernak lol. Optional that really make not much difference is trade perbix.

It's time to go nuclear.

 

[OurlordAndSaviorKuch]

You go nuclear to keep the Captain.

 

[Sky04]

A team will pay reinhart easily 8-9.5 mil. With how he was on the PP many teams will be wanting that guy who has a shoot first mentality on the powerplay.

I think sheary gets bought out and jeannot is traded. Stammer signs for 5 years 32.5 mil

Lol 8-9.5m is what Stamkos is in the market for.... try 10-12 for a guy with 57 goals last season.