Is Peter Forsberg underrated?

[Fishy McScales]

I didn't budge to your riveting counter argument of "What more could he done than finish first?"
Not sure that's a signal of my lack of openness to hearing other opinions.

Unless I have miscalculated things, statistically, they both dominated their peers similarly on a per game basis but Sakic played more games. If you think that Jagr and Mario are in the same "peer" class as Naslund then I am not sure what to tell you.

My argument was that using points over a single season to determine one player was better than the other was an odd thing to do, especially since that other player even won the Art Ross at one point.

The argument is that this is not clear cut even if you elect to use it as a data point in evaluating the two players. Not that it proves Forsberg was better, just that it was an odd argument to use in the first place. Yet you seem hell bent on educating me on the pitifulness of the competition during that 2002-03 season. Thanks I guess?

I'm not sure you're using "riveting" correctly btw.

 

[authentic]

If you want to argue that their best full season = their peak, that's reasonable.

But that means you cannot give Forsberg any credit for missing games in 02/03 without opening up a reasonable discussion about Crosby's 10/11 season or his 12/13 season where he was lapping the field before getting injured at an age where historically GOAT talent reaches their peak. The general consensus is that Crosby wasn't quite at the same level in 13/14 as he was 10/11 to 12/13.

So you choose what you want to consider their "peak".

Forsberg has two excellent 3 round playoff performance but they are not as good as Crosby's performance through 3 rounds in 2009.

Not sure that intangibles places Forsberg above Crosby to the extent that you ignore a superior offensive ceiling especially when quality of linemates is considered.

Perhaps not above but close enough to the same level. I mean having watched both at their best I do not think it’s even remotely far fetched to prefer Forsberg in the playoffs.

 

[authentic]

Equally ridiculous. You’ve decided on the smallest, vaguest sample size, each detail of which is incredibly debatable. Peak Crosby is a better scorer, better playmaker, better puck dominator, better leader, and won everything individual and team based he possibly could multiple times. Forsberg was a dynamite player and deserving of his laurels, but the list of players who are Crosby’s peers is only a handful long. Forsberg isn’t on it. You can argue that there was a magical five minutes where Forsberg was as good as Crosby was if you’d like, but it’s a) wrong and b) a ridiculous comparison point that you’ve chosen in the first place.

Enjoy your thread.

Well that’s an extremely ignorant post, you believe Crosby was a clearly better puck dominator and playmaker than Forsberg, and ignore that Forsberg was obviously better defensively and physically, put up close to the same offense at his peak with less ice time and has a better goals per game and points per game in the playoffs - even up to the same age or number of games played and adjusted for era. Like it’s not unimaginable that Crosby wasn’t another level of talent and ability than Forsberg when you really look at the facts.

 

[Trendkill101]

I will say this, as a kid I grew up in a Leafs house, I was and still am a Leafs fan. That said, Peter Forsberg is my all time favorite player. I was 10 in 1996 and at that point in time I thought he was the most exciting player in hockey. He only went on to further cement that thought in my mind.

I believe there are a lot of people just like me, that grew up with him as their favorite player. Whether that makes him overrated in the grand scheme, it probably does to a degree. I'd probably have him around 40th all time. He had the skill to be further up the list but injuries simply prevented it.

 

[Ben White]

Well that’s an extremely ignorant post, you believe Crosby was a clearly better puck dominator and playmaker than Forsberg, and ignore that Forsberg was obviously better defensively and physically, put up close to the same offense at his peak with less ice time and has a better goals per game and points per game in the playoffs - even up to the same age or number of games played and adjusted for era. Like it’s not unimaginable that Crosby wasn’t another level of talent and ability than Forsberg when you really look at the facts.

People here are always driven by narratives in these discussions and not by facts

 

[Ben White]

I will say this, as a kid I grew up in a Leafs house, I was and still am a Leafs fan. That said, Peter Forsberg is my all time favorite player. I was 10 in 1996 and at that point in time I thought he was the most exciting player in hockey. He only went on to further cement that thought in my mind.

I believe there are a lot of people just like me, that grew up with him as their favorite player. Whether that makes him overrated in the grand scheme, it probably does to a degree. I'd probably have him around 40th all time. He had the skill to be further up the list but injuries simply prevented it.

In career value I think you’re right. But again, this thread is about a list worded “best” players of all time. Forsberg is without a doubt a top 20 “best” player all time when evaluating the facts.