Is Patrik Elias worthy to get to HHOF?
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robsenz
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I feel like that would be setting the bar down a bit in all honesty...great player...but not in the hall of fame.
Colin226
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I'm obviously biased but I would say yes, he deserves it. The guy put up very respectable numbers despite playing with - and 100% buying into - a very defense-focused system. His vision, hockey sense, and scoring ability was so much fun to watch.
My guess is it takes some time, but that he does eventually get in.
My guess is it takes some time, but that he does eventually get in.
Its a Trap
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Yes...Patrik Elias getting into the Hall of Fame would be setting the bar down a notch especially compared to others in there.
Jumptheshark
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my knee jerk reaction is a hard no
but anyone who think Claude Giroux of the flyers should be in--then they agree Elias should be in
here is the question
how many players who have scored 400+ goals and 1000 pts are not in the hall?
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Eisen
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He's more worthy than a couple of players already in. He wouldn't be the worst, so yes. For consistency reasons he should be in the Hall. In my perfect Hall he would be in, albeit one of the weaker inductions.
Ivo
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I am not confident he will get in, since he is quite underrated, but he definitely should get in IMO. Very respectable numbers considering the era, very good playoff record, complete player, 2 cups as the best forward of his team. He was perhaps the player most harmed by the full-season lockout. Not only he missed a season in his prime, but also contracted a serious illness playing in Russia and missed most of the next season. Missed one and a half season when he was at his best. He was certainly a much better player with a better career than a few of the recent inductions.
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Also 16 career overtime goals, second most in NHL history.
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Reasons for including Patrik Elias:
- very respectable numbers
- 100% bought into defense-focused system
- fun to watch
TheBeastCoast
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I don't think he will get in right away but give it a few years on the ballot and in a weaker year he probably gets in.
Stuzchuk
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With that defensive system NJ still found a way to score a lot goals in some season. NJ goals ranking from 1998 to 2006. 9 2 2 1 14 20 20 14. That system didn't take a way offense. Without that system that might not be able to score so many goals in those years
yukoner88
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I was just looking up Holik's career resume and tried to do a comparison to Bob Gainey's career as both were considered to be elite defensively.
Gainey:
GP: 1160
G: 239
A: 262
Playoffs:
GP:182
G:25
A:48
Cups: 5
Conn Smythe: 1
Selke: 4
Elias
GP:1240
G:408
A:617
Playoffs:
GP:162
G:45
A:80
Cups:2
Looking at the numbers Elias consistently produced at a rate that doubled Gainey's while playing in a much lower scoring era. The one glaring thing against Elias is that he never won any individual trophies while Gainey collected 5, including a conn smythe.
The next closest comparison of the HHOF I could think of is maybe Glenn Anderson. Under 500goals and under PPG and no individual awards but his PP and playoff numbers are through the roof.
At first thought I was thinking no, but looking at Elias' career a bit more closely. He's a lot closer than I realized. On a scale of 100, doing this bit of research made me got from 70-30 no, to about a 55-45 no.
Gainey:
GP: 1160
G: 239
A: 262
Playoffs:
GP:182
G:25
A:48
Cups: 5
Conn Smythe: 1
Selke: 4
Elias
GP:1240
G:408
A:617
Playoffs:
GP:162
G:45
A:80
Cups:2
Looking at the numbers Elias consistently produced at a rate that doubled Gainey's while playing in a much lower scoring era. The one glaring thing against Elias is that he never won any individual trophies while Gainey collected 5, including a conn smythe.
The next closest comparison of the HHOF I could think of is maybe Glenn Anderson. Under 500goals and under PPG and no individual awards but his PP and playoff numbers are through the roof.
At first thought I was thinking no, but looking at Elias' career a bit more closely. He's a lot closer than I realized. On a scale of 100, doing this bit of research made me got from 70-30 no, to about a 55-45 no.
It's the hall of fame, not the hall of pretty good. He has zero personal awards and his play outside of the NHL isn't that spectacular. I don't see why he would get in but the hall is subjective, maybe with a few weak classes?
I think he's worthy, but I'm not sure if he'll get in as he was generally overlooked throughout his career. I think he, Hossa and Alfredsson were all similar level players, but I suspect Hossa will get in right away and Alfredsson might as well, or at least in the first few years. Elias I think will likely be waiting for a bit or might never get in.
There's actually quite a few players in without any hardware: Modano, Sundin, Andreychuk, Housley, Gartner, Savard, Goulet, Federko, Murphy, Shanahan, Recchi, Barber, etc. His career numbers are lower than most, but they need to be put in the context of his era
Its a Trap
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Sounds a lot like Mats Sundin.
Except that it doesn't?
Patrick Elias
GP 1240
Goals 208
Assists 617
PTS 1025
Mats Sundin
GP 1346
Goals 564
Assists 785
Points 1349
Sundin was almost always close to PPG or over, Elias had numerous seasons where he wasn't even close. Sundin was easily the better player and he also had a much better international career, if you take away Elias cups wins it's not even close.
Paulinvancouver
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I'm an admirer, but no.
I get the argument about waiting til later ballots, but aren't we about to get a large influx of candidates which could create a logjam?
I get the argument about waiting til later ballots, but aren't we about to get a large influx of candidates which could create a logjam?
