The east playoff cutoff is looking to be sub 85 points right now. Grabbing that spot isn’t an indicator that your team is good.
Is Ottawa good?
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Yeah there is an island of mid teams in the east…someone is bound to stumble ass backwards into a playoff spot out of that group lol
There's at least one team in the pack that will have a really good second half of the season. I'd be amazed if a team makes the playoffs in the East with less than 90 points.
I don't really understand this line of thinking.
If there are 8 good teams and 8 awful teams in the conference the playoff cutoff will be very high. If there are 12 good teams and 4 awful teams the cutoff will be lower, not because the teams are worse but because the points get more spread out.
A low playoff cutoff is pretty much just a sign that there are less teams tanking and more teams competing. Would Ottawa be a better team if Montreal and Columbus were tanking for the #1 pick? Not really right?
That said, at the end of the season it's likely you need at least 90-92 points to make the playoffs.
I know, right. The OP asked if they were good, not great. And they are good, and not great.
This isn't a case where there's 12 good teams, Pittsburgh isn't a good team and they have a decent chance of sneaking in. Heck Buffalo was in the mix until recently too.
You have Florida, Carolina, Jersey, Washington, and a couple others and then you have the rest of the flock. The rest of the flock isn't good enough to let the Penguins suck this year.
Tere are six good teams in the EC. Toronto, Fla, TB, Wash, NJ and Car are all capable of reaching the ECF. Sens, Bruins, CBJ, Habs, Wings, Rags and Pens are complete pretenders and will get chewed up and spit out come PO.
Again, I just think it's a sign that more teams are competing. It's parity. There's not a single team in the East that went into this season with the goal of landing a top draft pick. The final 1-2 playoff teams aren't really significantly better because they get more freebie points against tanking teams.
They are in a playoff spot going by point % and Boston is out. Boston is at .522. They are not in right now.
Yeah, I am a Penguins fan and the fact that they are even close to a playoff spot shows how bad the East is right now.
Why? Poitras has an edge on Danielson and Carlo is a clear upgrade over Petry.
I'm Boston, I want a roll of the dice on Detroit's #1.
Poitras being thrust into the NHL and putting up mediocre numbers, while being a development year earlier than Danielson doesn't "Give him an edge", and a bag of pucks is a clear upgrade over Petry.
Detroit isn't rolling the dice on their 2025 first for that.
I think there are signs of turning the corner and maturing into another phase, which is nice to see form one of our main forum "perpetual rebuild" teams.
Still work to do and certainly not even a lock for the playoffs but things like the Jensen trade (a clear win for both teams) and trading for and then extending Ullmark - while not glamorous moves (I mean you can argue Ullmark as a Vezina winner was a glamorous move but as usual, the majority groaned when he got his extension because...goalies) - were pinpointed moves that directly addressed weaknesses. And they seemed to have found something in Leevi as well.
Goals Against Rank:
2019-20: 30th
2020-21: 28th
2021-22: 22nd
2022-23: 20th
2023-24: 28th
2024-25: 12th
I think that says a lot. Now the offense hasn't exactly been potent this year outside the top guys and there is a ton of improvement that can and needs to happen up front IMO. But the defensive foundation often seems MUCH harder for these rebuilding teams to identify and improve, and has been a huge issue for the Sens, forever - and they really seem genuinely good now in that regard. Even Chabot is looking like a totally different blueliner than the past few years. There's now balance on the blueline (top 4 anyways) and in net. That's big. Depth everywhere seems very much a work in progress though.
Still work to do and certainly not even a lock for the playoffs but things like the Jensen trade (a clear win for both teams) and trading for and then extending Ullmark - while not glamorous moves (I mean you can argue Ullmark as a Vezina winner was a glamorous move but as usual, the majority groaned when he got his extension because...goalies) - were pinpointed moves that directly addressed weaknesses. And they seemed to have found something in Leevi as well.
Goals Against Rank:
2019-20: 30th
2020-21: 28th
2021-22: 22nd
2022-23: 20th
2023-24: 28th
2024-25: 12th
I think that says a lot. Now the offense hasn't exactly been potent this year outside the top guys and there is a ton of improvement that can and needs to happen up front IMO. But the defensive foundation often seems MUCH harder for these rebuilding teams to identify and improve, and has been a huge issue for the Sens, forever - and they really seem genuinely good now in that regard. Even Chabot is looking like a totally different blueliner than the past few years. There's now balance on the blueline (top 4 anyways) and in net. That's big. Depth everywhere seems very much a work in progress though.
The only thing keeping Pittsburgh in the race is GP. They are on par with Philly and NYI right now. Down around ~.400 win% and sub .500 point%.
Ottawa is a tiny market team so we get a lot of hate, it is very hard to have a normal discussion about the Senators on HF (even on HFSens).
Scabs fans are obsessed with us. It is adorable.
Usually tiny markets are liked by other fans. It's the big obnoxious market teams that are hated.
I like to think most teams fanbases don't mind us.
The problem is that the two biggest fanbases in the league don't like that fact that a small upstart franchise has popped up in their back yard and has generally been more successful than either of them since entering the league. It makes them look bad.
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